The Chosun Ilbo reports HERE that seven out of ten Japanese think "Dokdo" (Takeshima) belongs to them, according to a poll by the Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun.
Actually, 73.7 percent of the respondents said Takeshima (Dokdo - Liancourt Rocks) was Japanese territory while only 8.1 percent said they did not think so, and 18.2 percent said they did not know.
I wonder how many Japanese believed Takeshima (Dokdo) was theirs before Korea starting making such a big deal about it?
That`s what makes Japan dangerous.
ReplyDeletehelpfish,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you think Koreans who think "Dokdo is ours" are dangerous too?
Because
ReplyDelete1. Koreans never tried to conquer the world. Japan did twice
2. Korea owns Dokdo, what would be the benefit for Korea?
3. If Japan would own Dokdo and stationed Police on it, 70% of Koreans would never think the island as theirs.
helpfish,
ReplyDelete"1. Koreans never tried to conquer the world. Japan did twice"
Conquer the world? I won't talk about history here but you must learn true history, not biased history in Korea.
"2. Korea owns Dokdo, what would be the benefit for Korea?"
According to the international law, Korea doesn't own the island. They only occupied it unlawfully.
"3. If Japan would own Dokdo and stationed Police on it, 70% of Koreans would never think the island as theirs".
It's because of Korean education after Rhee Syngman. Please read and think yourself whether which of Korea and Japan says the truth.
I think you got that wrong. Starting from year 512 there is evidence that dokdo is korea's.and in year 1693 there is the an young buk problem. Even in japan's map it said that dokdo was korea's a hundreds year ago.Also at uear 1900 the world even made a law that japan can not say thay dokdo is their's amd that dokdo is korea's. Also did you check the internet before? Even in the Wikipedia it says that dokdo is korea's.
Delete1. You`re denying that Hideyoshi and Tojo tried to conquer the world? YOu don`t learn that in Japan?
ReplyDelete2.If Korea starts a war, Korea won`t win anything. BTW. it owns it as it excercises control over the islets. And Korea never signed the SF treaty so there is nothing illegal.
3. What has that to do with education? You`re trying to say that japanese education is inferior to Korean education and that japanese education maked them think of foreign-controlled islets as theirs. And not only a minority but 70% ???
Funny, because 99.9% of the Koreans would say Dokdo belongs to Korea.
ReplyDeleteOf course the Japanese think Dokdo is theirs. The Japanese government deliberately publishes and distributes false maps showing the islands as Japanese even though the world recognizes the islets as Korean.
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These maps show how dishonest the Japanese government is. Shame on you Japan. We've caught you in a lie.
^what is wrong with the maps?
ReplyDeleteThe maps show a line crossed between Ulleung-Do and Dok-Do. That`s clearly a mistake. Japanese government is only one sided and not only that, they`re spreading lies.
ReplyDelete^oh what do the korean maps look like? are there lines?
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, Japan has no reason to draw lines between Ulleung-Do and Dok-Do. At least not because Korea has stationed police on Dok-Do.
ReplyDeleteThere is a huge difference between Korean ownership and japanese ownership of the islets.
^that doesnt answer my question...
ReplyDeleteTue
ReplyDeleteThe maps not only show lines. Some show the characters meaning Japan's Oki District written over Dokdo Island and this is a lie. This is typical of Japan's policy. That is to quietly lobby behind closed doors and silently present false data hoping the international community won't notice.
The Koreans will protest loudly and Japan will smile coyly and say "Look at those crazy irrational Koreans, they are so hot-headed!!"
Not only are some of these Japanese government maps. Some are backed by Yahoo.jp.
Other Yahoo international websites such as Yahoo.com and Yahoo.co.kr do not show this incorrect boundary line. INHO this shows Japan's corporate sector is also involved in Japan's MOFA's lobby efforts.
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ReplyDeleteThe islands are not officially disputed and there is a big difference between having an opinion and systematically spreading lies.
ReplyDeletedogdo-takeshima,
ReplyDeleteTakeshima(Dokdo) belongs to the Oki District of the Shimane Prefecture according to the Japan's claim.
There is no lie whatsoever in it. There is, however, a big lie in what you say about the Japanese Government.
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dogdo, tell me sweet little lies instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgPNtPNYRLE
^well, the islands are still being disputed, so i dont think its a "lie" exactly. i think its just their opinion. im sure korea has their own maps that claim territory and such, and that is their opinion too.
ReplyDeleteOpinions are perfectly okay during a dispute right? that is why this website is here.
The Koreans will protest loudly and Japan will smile coyly and say "Look at those crazy irrational Koreans, they are so hot-headed!!"
Yes, i think this is quite rude. What do the koreans think of japan?
Rachel, the japanese seem to forget that there is Korean police stationed on Dokdo.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the Japanese claims before 1905 were nullified through the terra nullius doctrine. The incorporation of 1905 was illegal because it was based on aggression and the illegal invasion of Ulleungdo. I don`t know why japanese claim anything and on what they`re relying in their claims?
Koreans think of Japan as sleazy war criminal right wing activists.
ReplyDeleteAll Japan is basing it claims on is that the USA removed Dokdo in the final draft of the SF treaty.
ReplyDelete1. Korea did not sign the SF treaty
2. Only because the USA removed Dokdo from the SF treaty doesn`t make the 1905 incorporation legal.
USA is not god.
so if i built a police station on a uninhabited island, could i claim that island as mine?
ReplyDeletehelpfish,
ReplyDeleteThe incorporation in 1905 was internationally legal.
It was done under the rule of "先占" which means first occupation. Japan incorporated it because there is no trace of other countries' occupation.
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2007/11/28th-of-january-1905-dicision-by.html
But the occupation by Korea was not "先占". USA thought it was illegal.
Read this:
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2007/12/report-of-van-fleet-mission-to-far-east.html
tue,
ReplyDeleteif somebody has got police on an island, do you claim it as yours?
pacifist,
ReplyDeletethe 1905 incorporation was illegal just like the annexation of Korea was illegal. The world just didn`t care.
Thats why Korea doesn`t rely on the SF treaty to determine the ownership of Dokdo.
"Japan incorporated it because there was no trace of other countries occupation"
Therefore Japan wasn`t sure of its own ownership!
Raquel, what's with the childish name-calling "dogdo" quote. Pretty lame, kid. What, are you 12 years old?
ReplyDeleteKorea administers over Dokdo and the islands are not part of Oki Prefecture by any definition other than Japan's. In other words the Japanese are lying.
There is nothing wrong with saying the islands are disputed on you maps. However whopping a non-existant bounday between the islets that was not agreed upon between Japan and Korea is simply propaganda.
This is shameful and I'm glad I can point out Japan's slimy lobbying efforts for the whole world to see.
i will happily answer your question helpfish. in my case, no i would not claim it as mine.
ReplyDeleteok, if someone has a police station on an island, does it make it theirs?
helpfish,
ReplyDeleteThe incorporation in 1905 and the annexation in 1910 was another thing.
I won't argue about the annexation here but even the annexation has been recognised as legal in the international society.
(Don't you know that the congress held by a famous university under the control of Korean government?
You can google it if you want to read it. The famous scholars in the congress excluded Korea's opinion and decided the annexation was legal under the international law.)
And the incorporation of Takeshima in 1905 was legal under the international law.
pacifist,
ReplyDeletethe annexation has been recognised as "legal", the same for the incorporation of Dokdo. If you research about the circumstances of the incorporation, you can clearly see that both have much in common.
So Korea doesn`t rely on the opinion of the USA since they had many other problems at that time (Germany, Russia, Israel, Japan...)
pacifist,
ReplyDeletethat doesn`t make the annexation nor the incorporation of Dokdo valid.
If you threaten someone with a gun to force him to sign a treaty, it is legal only at first glance.
dogdo-takeshima,
ReplyDeleteYou are shooting in your foot again.
So, according to your healthy logic, is it okay for Korea to draw a line between Takeshima and Oki without the consent of Japan?
Rachel,
ReplyDelete1. Quote "Other Yahoo international websites such as Yahoo.com and Yahoo.co.kr do not show this incorrect boundary line."
2. The 1905 incorporation into Oki prefecture has been illegal like the annexation of Korea. It happened through the use of force.
Pacifist, do you have Alzheimer's disease? The American's just reconfirmed Korean sovereignty over Dokdo a week ago. Why quote 50 year old confidential memorandums when the American's stated who has sovereignty just a few days ago. This shows how twisted your opinions are.
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We know the following Japanese maps are shameless propaganda when America already confirmed Korean sovereignty over Dokdo Takeshima.
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Japan's MOFA. Asian neighbours should be very careful not to trust them!!
Pacifist, legal 1905 and legal 2008 are two different matters my friend. That is why Japan can never have Dokdo. Their 1905 incorporation was flawed in so many ways we cannot possibly use it as a equitable premise to establish a boundary between Japan and Korea.
helpfish,
ReplyDeleteSo if the international society recognised the incorporation in 1905, why don't you think so?
It is a self-centered view, isn't it?
You have to show the evidence for the world to convince them that Korea has a right to own Takeshima/Dokdo. But she has not yet suceeded to show the evidence. So then, why do you insist that the 1905 incorporation was illegal and the Korean occupation is legal?
What is your ground?
^they have a police station on it
ReplyDeleteThe japanese have invaded Korea since 1890. They killed the korean empress in 1895. They completely annexed Korea in 1910 (through the use of force, though illegally).
ReplyDeleteYou try to say that the incorporation of Dokdo in 1905 was legal and not based on aggression?
I don`t need any japanese influenced judge to say that this wasn`t a legal incorporation.
helpfish,
ReplyDeleteSo, do you know that King Gaero of Baekje sent his daughter and brother as hostages to Japan?
And what was the reason for sending them as hostages?
Raquel are you still calling me childish names (dogdo) Is that the best ya got? It doesn't hide your limpdick arguments. If you spent more time reading instead of beating your gums maybe you'd understand better.
ReplyDeleteThe world acknowledges Korea's sovereignty over the Dokdo as the Americans confirmed last week. They also understand the islands are disputed. Knowing this Japan's maps are propaganda and inexcusable.
Japan has every right to print the islands are disputed on maps but to simply put a line between Ulleungdo and Dokdo or to mark the islands as part of Japan is pure propaganda. What a disappointment that the second most powerful nation of earth resorts to such childish tactics.
Rachel,
ReplyDeleteI don`t know why i am answering to your childish questions but at that time there has been a (surprise surprise!) ally between Baekje (Kudara) and Japan (Wa). Japan needed teachers and Baekje needed military help against Silla and Koguryeo. Thats why they sent hostages.
Steve,
ReplyDelete"Pacifist, do you have Alzheimer's disease?"
This words are for you, Steve.
"The American's just reconfirmed Korean sovereignty over Dokdo a week ago".
They only confirmed about the name of the island which USA uses. It's not about sovereignty, as spokesman said.
It was a favour to the president Lee Myung-bak, as he is a far better president than the former one for USA (and for Japan too). USA don't want him to resign but he was in the crisis because of BSE problem and this problem.
helpfish,
ReplyDeleteThe last question.
Do you know that King Munyeong of Baekje was born in Japan?
Rachel,
ReplyDeleteI heard about that but i am not sure.
But if it satisfies you, Lee Myung-Bak, the Korean president was born in Japan too.
helpfish,
ReplyDeleteMunyeong was made the 25th king of Baekje with the Japan's backing.
So, he was actually a puppet king under the direct control of Japan in those days.
Anyway, take it easy, a son of Munyeong born in Japan.
Backing of Japan?
ReplyDeleteThere was no Japan at that time.
Pacifits are you so busy posting propaganda that you can't take the time to read the news from your own website?
ReplyDeleteThe Americans agree the islands are disputed. They had incorrectly labelled the islands as "sovereignty disputed" but corrected this problem. What's not disputed is that the Koreans now have sovereignty over the islands.
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So because the real world considers Liancourt Rocks Korean territory, you can be sure Japan's dishonest government is deliberately misleading the international community with false maps.
So you dont' need to mislead the public by posting 50 year old outdated confidential memorandums Pacifist. We know the Americans acknowledge Korean sovereignty over Dokdo.
Helpfish, don't waste your time with Raquel. She's just a kid.
Hi!
ReplyDeleteDon't you know 99.99% of Korean have thought Dockdo belongs to Korean territory.
miso,
ReplyDeleteDon't you know that 99.99% of the Koreans had thought Hwang Wu-seok(황우석) was a genius?
And the 99.99% turned out to have been thinking very wrong.
The same thing will happen with Dokdo.
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99.99% of Koreans have thought Dockdo belongs to Korean territory.
Tsk tsk tsk... Poor Raquel...
ReplyDeletejust a kid...
dogdo-takeshima,
ReplyDeleteKorea have had de facto sovereignty over the Liancourt Rocks since 1952.
As a Korea-centric propagandist, you better come up with more creative lies.
It is just that the Japanese Government legitimately and peacefully refuses to recognize the de facto sovereignty of Korea over the Liancourt Rocks.
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They had incorrectly labelled the islands as "sovereignty disputed" but corrected this problem. What's not disputed is that the Koreans now have sovereignty over the islands.
dogdo-takeshima,
ReplyDeleteBesides, there isn't any "Dokdo" that you irrationally and blindly fight for as its out-of-pocket propagandist in the BGN database.
There is your nickname "Dogdo", however.
misol221,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote;
"Don't you know 99.99% of Korean have thought Dockdo belongs to Korean territory".
Very dreadfull result if this is correct. It's a totalitarianism, it reminds me of Japan before 1945.
This is because of Korean distorted education after Rhee Syngman took the island. Rhee Syngman used education for justification of what he did. They have educated people in the same way as Japan Imperialism did in the wartime.
Please notice bright Korean people! Please read the original documents by yourself, not internet info of proppaganda websites.
This is funny..... because everyone is using "DOKDO" and even pacifist who is saying "DOKDO" is Japan's is using "DOKDO" and not "TAKESHIMA".....
ReplyDeleteBTW helpfish is right and pacifist is wrong.... well in my opinion....
1. You`re denying that Hideyoshi and Tojo tried to conquer the world? YOu don`t learn that in Japan?
They are not korean...
"2. Korea owns Dokdo, what would be the benefit for Korea?"
economically a lot because of the tourist attraction and also the fish.
According to the international law, Korea doesn't own the island. They only occupied it unlawfully.
that is the japan's opinion. in Korea Dokdo is known to be Korea's territory and lawful.
"3. If Japan would own Dokdo and stationed Police on it, 70% of Koreans would never think the island as theirs"
too bad because Korea already owns Dokdo and stationed Police on it and still 70% of japanese thought it was theirs. (greedy) ps. this article says 70% OF japanese people think Dokdo is theirs.
and you are acting so clever but really i dont think u are better than a goldfish. did u know that official japanese maps during the 8th to 19th century don't have Dokdo in it? while Korea's first official map in the 16th century did? even if it was on the map it was clearly shown as a different country's territory.
last word i know i am being mean and i am not suppose to i NEED to say this... U r DUM!
Think of it this way...
ReplyDeleteKorea wants Dokdo because of its historical value. To them it's been there's before, during, and after the Japanese enslavement of Korea. They don't want to ruin the peaceful, calm look and most Koreans have gone to Dokdo at least once.
Japan wants Dokdo because of its resources. They want to ruin, I mean, put the things there to good use. Now this may slightly deform the rocky islet, but to them, who gives two shits? Not one person even gives one.
Oh, Dokdo would also be a great strategic military point for Japan. Who wouldn't want another world domination plot, I mean, for self-defense, you know.
So stop being biased all of you. It sounds like kids wanting the last cookie. In my opinion, they should just poll the whole world, asking,"Do you think Dokdo should belong to Korea or Japan? Korea wants if you historical value, while Japan wants to use its resources up and make a military base maybe." See what they say, then give it to the people who got the most votes. Of course, this might start another war...
So stop thinking biased and think from each one's perspective. Tell me (or anybody) what you think. And please don't just go," It's Japan's cuz Koreans eat dogs lol," or something like that.
Japanese people only follow what it says on the sf treaty. But they do not realize that their government has been distorting their documents. Then why are these Japanese historians lying?
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