Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: Interview with Mark Lovmo about his Dokdo Site

19.8.08

Interview with Mark Lovmo about his Dokdo Site

The Korean newspaper, "Hankyoreh," has reported HERE on an email interview "Yonhap News" did with American Mark Lovmo about his Dokdo Web site HERE. The article is written in Korean.

"Segye Ilbo" also reported on the Yonhap article with a picture of Mark HERE.

<<<<------- Mark Lovmo

UPDATE: Now, even the Korea Times has an English article on Mark Lovmo and his Dokdo Web site entitled, "American Urges US to Recognize S. Korean Sovereignty Over Dokdo."

What's next? Mark Lovmo for President?

24 comments:

Anonymous18/8/08 11:40
pacifist,

독도에 관한 documentary에서 은주시청합기(隱州視聽合記)에 관한 기록을 알게되었습니다.

Blog에 이미 자료가 있다면, link를 부탁드리겠습니다. Blog에 자료가 없다면, 당신의 주장을 듣고 싶습니다.
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pacifist18/8/08 11:48
lord,

이것을 읽어 주세요：

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2007/10/1667-onshu-shicho-goki.html

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2007/10/onshu-shicho-goki-different.html

I hope you will understand what I meant. Thank you.
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Unknown18/8/08 19:14
This denouncement of territorial claims by Japanes government in 1877 can not be challenged.
http://geocities.com/mlovmo/temp14.html
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pacifist18/8/08 19:19
If you are interested in the 1877 documents, please read the following:

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2007/06/argument-about-another-island-details.html
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pacifist18/8/08 21:48
lord,

일본인이라면 일본어의 해석은 한국인보다 정확합니다.

당신이 말하는 「양심적인 일본의 학자」라고 하는 것은 북한 sympathizer의 학자의 같네요.그들은 일본에서는 전혀 상대로 되고 있지 않습니다.한국에서는 자국에 형편의 좋은 정보 밖에 보도되지 않기 때문에, 그들은 빈번히 한국에서만 소개됩니다만, 일본에서는 평가되고 있지 않습니다.

그것보다 소개한 기사는 읽어 주었습니까?잘 읽어 주시면, 어느 쪽이 올바른 말을 할까 는 용이하게 알 것입니다.
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helpfish19/8/08 00:34
pacifist, admit it, your country invaded korea in 1905 and took Dokdo on the way.
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pacifist19/8/08 07:42
helpfish,

You must learn the true history first. Japan never ever invaded Korea. She only annexed Korea but it was not a forced one. And the annexation occured in 1910, not 1905.

This blog is for Liancourt Rocks, if you want to argue about history, please go to other websites.
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pacifist19/8/08 07:53
In addition, I would like to tell you the following information:

In the International Science Council opened at Harvard University on 16-17 November 2001, the international society concluded that Japan's Annexation of Korea in 1910 had been lawful. The council was backed up by Korean government but the government didn't announce the result.
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Unknown19/8/08 10:30
Pacifist, do you have any source for the Harvard thing? I read about that in 誰も言わなかった韓国人のホンネの裏側 by 高信太郎, but I have never been able to find any other reference.
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dokdo-takeshima.com19/8/08 13:23
Pacifist, legal 1910 ain't legal now. It's one thing for foreign colonial powers to hang on to territories they wrongfully seized centuries ago.

It's another thing to try and justify re-annexing them again a century later.

Maybe you can open a factory employing children and tell women they can't vote while your at it.

Time moves on, Korea has Dokdo, Japan can't have it. Get over it.
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pacifist19/8/08 14:57
Steve,

You can't decide the past incident by today's measure.

The annexation was legal in 1910, the world recognised it legal.

Specialists in UK recognised it "was" legal, it means it "was" legal with the measure of 1910. So you can't claim for it using a measure of 2008.
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Anonymous19/8/08 16:29
pacifist,

영국도 식민지 지배를 했던 대표적인 나라입니다. 일본이 영국에서 많이 배웠죠.

당신의 논리가 모든 사람들에게 받아들여질 것이라고 생각하지 마십시오.
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pacifist19/8/08 17:29
lord,

영국의 식민지 정책과 일본의 한국 병합을 함께 하지 말아 주세요.영국은 사회 투자하지 않고 식민지로부터 이익을 흡수했습니다.또 식민지는 영국에 배상 청구는 하고 있지 않습니다.

일본은 한반도에 막대한 사회 투자를 해 조선의 근대화를 촉이 했습니다.영국의 식민지와는 근본적으로 다릅니다.

러일 전쟁의 승리는 인도의 독립에 큰 영향을 주었습니다.오히려 그 점에서는 일본의 정책이 아시아의 반식민지 주의를 촉진했다고 하는 사실도 있습니다.

일본은 영국으로부터 근대 정치, 과학을 배웠습니다.그러나, 식민지 정책은 한국 병합에는 참고로 하지 않았습니다.한국은 식민지는 아니었기 때문입니다.
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pacifist19/8/08 17:38
Matthew,

I'm sorry, I couldn't find websites to indicate the contents of the council.

I remember that British scholars (from Oxford I think) proved that the annexatikon was legal, and the whole council agreed the opinion.
The result was reported in Sankei Shimbun in Japan in 2001.
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Anonymous19/8/08 18:29
pacifist,

일본 사람이 모두가 나쁜 사람들은 아닙니다.

하지만, 당신은 일본 사람이 모두가 좋은 사람들이었다고 말하는군요.

일본이 한국의 발전에 기여한 면도 조금은 있습니다. 하지만, 당신의 주장은 일본의 나쁜 면을 전혀 고려하지 않은 것입니다.

한국의 시사 문제를 분석하는 TV program에서, 일본의 언론에 대하여 분석한 것을 보았습니다. 일본의 언론도 국익의 노예가 되어 있더군요. 인간의 편견은 그 사건과 전혀 관계되지 않는 사람이 분석해야 자유로울 수 있는 것 같습니다.
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Anonymous19/8/08 18:37
gerry,

무엇이 당신과 Mark Lovmo의 운명을 갈랐을까요?

Mark Lovmo는 독도가 한국땅이라고 하는데 말입니다.

당신이 처음 한국이 독도에 대하여 거짓말을 하고 있다고 느끼게 된 것은 언제였고, 무엇 때문이었는지 궁금합니다.
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pacifist19/8/08 19:00
lord,

나는 일본인이 모두 올바르다고는 한마디도 말하지 않았습니다.

일본인이 모두 나빠서 한국인은 모두 올바르다고 하는 한국인의 주장이 잘못되어 있다고 지적하고 있을 뿐입니다.

그리고, 한국내의 보도는(특히 일본이나 타케시마에 관한 보도는) 믿지 않는 편이 좋아요.보도 규제가 있어, 거짓말의 보도가 많으니까.
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小嶋日向守20/8/08 03:21
lord,

나는, 일본과 한국의 진정한 우호를 기원하는 사람입니다.

한국이, 독도를 영유 하고 있었다고 주장하는 근거가 되는 증거를 나타내 준다면, 나는 일본 정부의 주장과는 관계없이, 독도는, 한국 영토이라고 동의 할 수 있습니다.

그러나, 나는 현재, 타케시마는 고래보다 쭉 일본 영토이다고 확신하고 있습니다.

일본에서는, 타케시마·독도에 관한 일한 쌍방의 정보를 읽을 수 있습니다.

재일 한국인에서도, 타케시마에 관해서는, 일본의 주장에 근거가 있어, 한국의 주장에는 근거가 없다고 보는 사람이 많은 이유를 생각해 봐 주세요.
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Anonymous20/8/08 08:23
小嶋日向守,

저도 당신과 마찬가지로 한국과 일본의 우호를 바라고 있습니다. 평화가 존재하지 않고 우호적이지 않다면, 모두가 불행할 것입니다.

일본의 입장에서는 한국의 주장이 근거없다고 생각하는 것 같습니다. 한국의 입장에서는 당신들의 주장이 근거없어 보입니다.

최소한의 상식도 통하지 않는 주장을 펼치고 있는 것 같습니다. 일본은 한국의 주장을 모두 부정하고 있습니다. 그점에 대해서도 한번 생각해 보시기 바랍니다.

한국에서 일본의 주장을 받아들일 수 없다면, 한국의 독도 영유권은 계속될 것입니다. 한국에서도 받아들일 수 있는 근거와 주장을 부탁드립니다.

한국과 일본의 문서 해석이 다른 점에 대해서, 한국도 인정할 수 있는 논리를 보여주시기를 다시 한번 부탁드립니다.
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Logical128/8/08 18:44
People, look at the evidence. What does Japan have but 3 pieces of paper? Look at Korean evidence. Instead of going on Google to type 'evidence for Japan', type 'Why Dokdo is Koreas'. More than 50 documents. ACCURATE DOCUMENTS. And Japan, legal, yeah right. Is it legal to take hundreds of slaves, and shoot people when they want to?
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Kaneganese28/8/08 19:43
logical1,

Don't be illogical. Bring your so-called Korean evidence which is supposed to show Korean had ever hold sovereignty over Takeshima before 1905. If you really have the one, you could be a hero in Korea. But there is nothing whatsoever, unfortunately.

On the other hand, Japan officially incorporated Takeshima into Shimane prefecture in 1905.　. (1905 - January 28th: the decision to incorporate Takeshima in to Shimane by a Cabinet meeting （公文類集第29編竹島編入閣議決定） )

Surprisingly, Korean officials didn't even know where it is in 1951 !!

1951 August 3rd; Memorandum
History of San Francisco Peace Treaty: Part Eleven

In his attached memorandum, Mr. Boggs states that although he has
"tried all resources in Washington" he has been unable to identify
Dokdo and Parangdo, mentioned in the Korean Embassy's note. On re-ceiving
Boggs's memo. I asked the Korean desk to find out whether anyone in the Korean
Embassy officer had told him they believed Dokdo was near Ullengdo, or Takeshima
Rock, and suspected that Parangdo was too. Apparently that is all Korean short
of a cable to Muccio.

So logical, get logical and bring your "evidences" and present them for us.
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Rich6/9/12 16:40
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Rich6/9/12 16:43
I'll bring my evidence.

It's called Imperial ordinance NO. 41 of 1900. That's before 1905 right? Just want to make sure.

You want historical. How about year 512 samguksagi or translated History of the Three Kingdoms.

Or MAYBE you want geological proof. Look at the islands actual land minerals, and you will see they match the surrounding land that is under Korea's Ownership.

You want comedy? Go to Japan's government website and laugh at the translated 15 step program of why they own the islands. It's honestly laughable that a government would release something so moronic in our advanced society but please have a laugh at your own governments expense.
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Rich6/9/12 17:04
I'd like to add the amount of stupidity of this argument of Japan owning this Island. Just to give anyone with common sense a idea how stupid, it's like japan sticking a flag in texas and saying it's theirs and if we want them to not take it we have to go to international court to prove it. You can literally see the island from Korea.

Whoever says korea didn't know about the island is lying. There is more evidence of maps with the islands from the Korean Government that clearly states the island from the early 1900's. There is so much evidence it's a joke.

Yet right wing nationalists are going across Japan at school's and houses telling Koreans to leave the country like they raped and murdered them. Yelling racial slurs over speaker systems so the whole community can hear. Imagine if that happened in the USA. The communists return.
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NE Shore of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도)

This satellite photo shows Ulleungdo's neighboring islands of Gwaneumdo (觀音島) and Jukdo (竹島) off Ulleungdo's east shore. Gwaneumdo is only about 100 meters offshore and looks more like a cape than an island. Jukdo is about 2 km offshore. The old Korean name for Jukdo was "Usando" (于山島), as many of Korea's old maps show. Koreans claim that Usando was Korea's old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but they have no documents or maps to prove it. Also, Liancourt Rocks is about ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo and are essentially two islands, but all of Korea's old maps show it as one island just off shore of Ulleungdo.

"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1860 - 1872)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed it with a small island off its eastern shore labeled as "Usan" (于山). Hash marks at the bottom of the map showed that Usan was less than 4 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. That would mean that it would be Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but Dokdo is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo and is essentially two islands, not one. The map is stored in the National Library of Korea.

"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1834)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed Usan (于山 - 우산) as a neighboring island just off Ulleungdo's east shore. The hash marks at the bottom of the map showed the island to be about 4 km offshore. Usando was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2.2 km of Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old Korean name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), which is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map and many others prove that claim false. The map is stored in Seoul National University's Kyujanggak Center for Korean Studies.

"Dong Yeodo" (東輿圖) Atlas (1795 - 1800)

This map showed Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a neighboring island labeled as "Usan" (于山 - 우산). Usando (于山島) was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), which is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map and many others prove that claim wrong. The map is stored in Japan's "University of Tsukuba Library" (筑波大学附属図書館).

"Joseon-do" (朝鮮圖) - 1800 - 1822

This map of Ullelungdo (鬱陵島) is from the Korean atlas "Joseon-do" (朝鮮圖), which is believed to have been made sometime between 1800 and 1822. Ulleungdo is shown with a neighboring island labeled as Usan (于山). Koreans claim that Usando (于山島) was the old Korean name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map and many others show that it was Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島), which is Ulleungdo's largest neighboring island and only two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. The map is stored in the Osaka Nakanoshima Library (中之島圖書館).

"Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿) - late 1800s?)

This map of Ulleungdo comes from an atlas entitled "Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿), which was probably made in the late 1800s since the map is very similarly to another map of Ulleungdo that was made between 1884 and 1894. The mapmaker used gridlines to help show relative size and distance. The map shows Ulleungdo with a small island off its east shore labeled as "Usan" (于山), which was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도). Jukdo is Ulleungdo's largest neighoring island and is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old Korean name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but they have no maps or documents to prove it. The map is stored in the Korean National Library.

"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1750 - 1768)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed "Usan" (于山 - 우산) as a neighboring island. The grid lines on the map helped show the small island's relative distance from Ulleungdo. Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Korean's claim that Usando was the old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but this map and many others prove that claim false.

Inspector's Map of Ulleungdo (1711)

The map is an inspector's map that showed Ulleungdo with an island off its east shore labeled as "the so-called Usando" (所謂于山島). The small island was also labeled as having "fields of haejang bamboo" (海長竹田). Koreans claim that Usando was Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map shows that it could not have been Dokdo since Dokdo is just rocks without the soil to grow haejang bamboo. Also, Usando was shown as a neighboring island of Ulleungdo, but Dokdo is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo. Stored in Seoul Nat'l University's Kyujanggak Institute of Korean Studies.

"Haejwa Jeondo" (海左全圖) - mid 1800s

This old Korean map showed Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a small neighboring island just off its east shore labeled as "Usan" (于山 - 우산). Koreans claim that Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map is evidence against the Korean claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands 92 kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but the Usan on this map is just off Ulleungdo's east shore and is only one island. In fact, Usando was the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is only two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore.

Carte de la Coree (1846)

This map was made iin 1846 by Kim Dae-geon (金大建), who was Korea's first Catholic priest. He made this map for the benefit of the French priest he works with. He was killed by the Joseon government the same year this map was made. The map shows Ulleungdo labeled in French as "Oulangto" and its neighboring island of Usando labeled as "Ousan." Koreans claim that Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rock), but this map shows Usando as one island just of the east shore of Ulleungdo. That tells us that Usando was almost certainly Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is only 2 kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. Also, this island could not have been Liancourt Rocks since Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands not one. The original of this map is stored in the National Library of France.

Joseon Jeondo (朝鮮全圖) from the "Gakdo Jido" (各道地圖) Atlas (latter 18th c.)

This old Korean map showed an island labeled as "Usando" (于山島 - 우산도) just off the east shore of Ulleundo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도). Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map is more evidence against that claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map shows Usando as one island just off Ulleungdo's east shore. Usando was, in fact, the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. This map is stored in Korea's Yeongnam University Museum.

"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1898)

"Donggyeong San Cheon - Paldo Jido (東京山川八道地圖) Atlas (date unknown)

"Jeongukdo" (全國圖) from the "Dongguk Daecheondo" (東國大全圖) - 1740

This old Korean map shows Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a small neighboring island just off its east shore labeled as "Usando" (于山島 - 우산도). Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo, but this map is evidence against that claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but the Usando on this map is one island just off the east shore of Ulleungdo. Usando was, in fact, the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. This map is stored in the Korean National Museum.

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19.8.08

Interview with Mark Lovmo about his Dokdo Site

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