Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: "Anonymous" comments are no longer allowed.

21.7.08

"Anonymous" comments are no longer allowed.

I have just returned from a 2-week vacation to find almost 1100 notices in my e-mail inbox of comments posted to this blog. I am glad to see the increased interest in the Dokdo-Takeshima debate, but I am disappointed to see so many anonymous postings that include bad language and personal attacks.

We want serious debate on this blog and commenters who post under IDs other than "Anonymous," so I have changed the blog setting to allow only those with Google or Blogger accounts to post comments. Also, comments on subjects unrelated to the Dokdo/Takeshima debate and comments that include bad language or personal attacks will be deleted at my discretion.

Enjoy the blog and the debate.

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GTOMR21/7/08 15:41
Is there any function which restrict annonmynous ID ?

I request that the Google/Blogger ID holder allowed to replying post on this blog is recommended to avoid too much sockpupets.
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Gerry Bevers21/7/08 15:55
Hi gtomr,

I agree. I have just changed the blog settings to allow only Google/Blogger ID holders to post comments to this blog.
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GTOMR21/7/08 16:05
Thank you Mr.Gerry,

these days It was is too much comments unrelated by the annominous blame post and it is no possible to exchange comment or debates.

I think it is enough to create G-mail or Blogger ID if someone want to post.it is free of Charge.

And I heard interesting story about Propaganda campaign.just check it.
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Gerry Bevers21/7/08 16:41
Gtomr,

A lot seems to have happened in the past two weeks. For one, President Lee has broken his pledge, just like his predecessor, to not make Dokdo an issue that disrupts cooperation between Korea and Japan.

I do not understand why Korea cannot simply accept the fact that Korea and Japan disagree on the sovereignty of Liancourt Rocks, instead of acting shocked and surprised every time Japan renews her claim on the islets. In other words, Korea needs to learn the concept of "to agree to disagree" and needs to stop with all the childish rhetoric that I have seen in the news lately. I am very disappointed in Korea's new president.

I am glad to see that the Japanese government finally decided that her responsibility to teach Japanese children the history of Takeshima is more important than trying to please Koreans by agreeing to the unreasonable demand of not teaching the history.

Anyway, I have a lot of catch-up to do since I have not really had much access to Dokdo/Takeshima news. Take care.
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Anonymous21/7/08 19:50
It does not need much time to abuse a person with a different opinion.
It needs much time and perseverance to do a valuable job.
I show respect for your daily effort on this blog, Mr. Bevers, kaneganese and pacifist.
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Kaneganese21/7/08 20:43
Thank God. Welcome back, Gerry

We've been flooded with unrelated comments and abusive verbal attacks towards Japan. (There were a few against Korea, too, unfortunately. ) It looks like VANK urged Korean to vote for Korea.

Sorry that we couldn't handle them well. I'm glad you finally decided not to admit anymore anonymous. I'm getting really tired of hundreds of anonymous.
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pacifist21/7/08 22:04
Welcome back Gerry.

Thanks for the treatment.
Actually this site was flooded with postings by various anonymouses.

However, it was good to hear opinions from some of them who were serious about this matter. I hope they will get their google accounts and come back again to discuss the matter with us.
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pacifist21/7/08 22:13
Gerry,

I would like to ask your favor...

Kaneganese made a complete index;
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/07/index-of-posts-on-dokdo-or-takeshima.html

Can you place this index at the top of the site? If there is an "Index" button to click at the first page, it will be convenient.
Please consider about it. Thank you.
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Gerry Bevers22/7/08 01:54
Thank you, everyone. I am glad to be back.

Pacifist,

I am thinking about changing the organization of the menu at the top of the blog to "Korean," "Japanese," and "Western" with links to posts of indexes in those different languages. I am also thinking about changing the organization of the right menu bar in a way that will make it easier to find specific maps and documents.

If you have any specific ideas or suggestions, let me know.
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pacifist22/7/08 07:50
Gerry,

Thanks. That will be fine.
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Kaneganese22/7/08 09:16
I think we should categorize the post I made under the Index, or make the title of the post appear on the sidebar. It is very convenient for me to find the past article.

Anyway, I'll keep updating the post time to time, or monthly.
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GTOMR23/7/08 00:13
I guess therer are lot of command macro for vote by korean when there are no "recent comments" shown on the right bar,
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NE Shore of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도)

This satellite photo shows Ulleungdo's neighboring islands of Gwaneumdo (觀音島) and Jukdo (竹島) off Ulleungdo's east shore. Gwaneumdo is only about 100 meters offshore and looks more like a cape than an island. Jukdo is about 2 km offshore. The old Korean name for Jukdo was "Usando" (于山島), as many of Korea's old maps show. Koreans claim that Usando was Korea's old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but they have no documents or maps to prove it. Also, Liancourt Rocks is about ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo and are essentially two islands, but all of Korea's old maps show it as one island just off shore of Ulleungdo.

"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1860 - 1872)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed it with a small island off its eastern shore labeled as "Usan" (于山). Hash marks at the bottom of the map showed that Usan was less than 4 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. That would mean that it would be Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but Dokdo is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo and is essentially two islands, not one. The map is stored in the National Library of Korea.

"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1834)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed Usan (于山 - 우산) as a neighboring island just off Ulleungdo's east shore. The hash marks at the bottom of the map showed the island to be about 4 km offshore. Usando was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2.2 km of Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old Korean name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), which is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map and many others prove that claim false. The map is stored in Seoul National University's Kyujanggak Center for Korean Studies.

"Dong Yeodo" (東輿圖) Atlas (1795 - 1800)

This map showed Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a neighboring island labeled as "Usan" (于山 - 우산). Usando (于山島) was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), which is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map and many others prove that claim wrong. The map is stored in Japan's "University of Tsukuba Library" (筑波大学附属図書館).

"Joseon-do" (朝鮮圖) - 1800 - 1822

This map of Ullelungdo (鬱陵島) is from the Korean atlas "Joseon-do" (朝鮮圖), which is believed to have been made sometime between 1800 and 1822. Ulleungdo is shown with a neighboring island labeled as Usan (于山). Koreans claim that Usando (于山島) was the old Korean name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map and many others show that it was Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島), which is Ulleungdo's largest neighboring island and only two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. The map is stored in the Osaka Nakanoshima Library (中之島圖書館).

"Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿) - late 1800s?)

This map of Ulleungdo comes from an atlas entitled "Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿), which was probably made in the late 1800s since the map is very similarly to another map of Ulleungdo that was made between 1884 and 1894. The mapmaker used gridlines to help show relative size and distance. The map shows Ulleungdo with a small island off its east shore labeled as "Usan" (于山), which was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도). Jukdo is Ulleungdo's largest neighoring island and is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. Koreans claim that Usando was the old Korean name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but they have no maps or documents to prove it. The map is stored in the Korean National Library.

"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1750 - 1768)

This Korean map of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) showed "Usan" (于山 - 우산) as a neighboring island. The grid lines on the map helped show the small island's relative distance from Ulleungdo. Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old Korean name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about 2.2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore. Korean's claim that Usando was the old name for "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but this map and many others prove that claim false.

Inspector's Map of Ulleungdo (1711)

The map is an inspector's map that showed Ulleungdo with an island off its east shore labeled as "the so-called Usando" (所謂于山島). The small island was also labeled as having "fields of haejang bamboo" (海長竹田). Koreans claim that Usando was Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map shows that it could not have been Dokdo since Dokdo is just rocks without the soil to grow haejang bamboo. Also, Usando was shown as a neighboring island of Ulleungdo, but Dokdo is 92 km southeast of Ulleungdo. Stored in Seoul Nat'l University's Kyujanggak Institute of Korean Studies.

"Haejwa Jeondo" (海左全圖) - mid 1800s

This old Korean map showed Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a small neighboring island just off its east shore labeled as "Usan" (于山 - 우산). Koreans claim that Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map is evidence against the Korean claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands 92 kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but the Usan on this map is just off Ulleungdo's east shore and is only one island. In fact, Usando was the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is only two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore.

Carte de la Coree (1846)

This map was made iin 1846 by Kim Dae-geon (金大建), who was Korea's first Catholic priest. He made this map for the benefit of the French priest he works with. He was killed by the Joseon government the same year this map was made. The map shows Ulleungdo labeled in French as "Oulangto" and its neighboring island of Usando labeled as "Ousan." Koreans claim that Usando (于山島 - 우산도) was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rock), but this map shows Usando as one island just of the east shore of Ulleungdo. That tells us that Usando was almost certainly Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is only 2 kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. Also, this island could not have been Liancourt Rocks since Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands not one. The original of this map is stored in the National Library of France.

Joseon Jeondo (朝鮮全圖) from the "Gakdo Jido" (各道地圖) Atlas (latter 18th c.)

This old Korean map showed an island labeled as "Usando" (于山島 - 우산도) just off the east shore of Ulleundo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도). Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), but this map is more evidence against that claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but this map shows Usando as one island just off Ulleungdo's east shore. Usando was, in fact, the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. This map is stored in Korea's Yeongnam University Museum.

"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1898)

"Donggyeong San Cheon - Paldo Jido (東京山川八道地圖) Atlas (date unknown)

"Jeongukdo" (全國圖) from the "Dongguk Daecheondo" (東國大全圖) - 1740

This old Korean map shows Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a small neighboring island just off its east shore labeled as "Usando" (于山島 - 우산도). Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo, but this map is evidence against that claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but the Usando on this map is one island just off the east shore of Ulleungdo. Usando was, in fact, the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. This map is stored in the Korean National Museum.

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21.7.08

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