The map to the left shows Korea's Gangwon Province and the island of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島) with its neighboring island of Usando (于山). The map is stored in the Hye-jong Museum of Korea's Gyeonghui University.
The date of the map is listed as unknown, but the map resembles other Korean maps made in the late 1800s. The shape of Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Usando, for example, is similar in shape to THIS MAP, which was made sometime between 1888 and 1895.
One of the difference between the two maps is that the 1888-1995 map shows Ulleungdo with six neighboring islands, and this map shows it with only four.
Below is the portion of the map showing Ulleungdo with its neighboring island of Usan (于山). Usando (于山島) was the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2 kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore.
One of the difference between the two maps is that the 1888-1995 map shows Ulleungdo with six neighboring islands, and this map shows it with only four.
Below is the portion of the map showing Ulleungdo with its neighboring island of Usan (于山). Usando (于山島) was the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is about 2 kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore.
Gerry Bevers,
ReplyDeleteYou agree Usan in this map is Dokdo, not Jukdo, don't you? In case yo you don't agree, please give an explanation.
Sloww,
ReplyDeleteJukdo is "one" island about 2 km east of Ulleungdo. Dokdo is "two" islands" about 90 km southeast of Ulleungdo.
The island on the map labeled "Usan" is just east of Ulleungo. It is "one" island, not two. Also, notice that the shape of the island is similar to the shape of the island labeled "Jukdo" (竹島) on Lee Gyu-won's 1882 survey map of Ulleungdo.
I would just like to say that this map of Gangwon Province reminded me of this map that An Yong-Bok had with him when he went to Japan in 1696 (to protest about Japanese trespassing on Ulleungdo and Dokdo).
ReplyDelete(full article: http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/ahn-yong-bok-dokdo-ii.html)
This map shows that appended to Gangwon Province are Ulleungdo and Usando.
An's map shows that appended to Gangwon Province are Takeshima and Matsushima.
An said to the Japanese authorities that Takeshima is Ulleungdo and Matsushima is Jasando (Usando) and that both islands belong to Korea's Gangwon Province.
This map of Gangwon Province is similar to other maps.
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/06/1888-1895-map-of-ulleungdo.html
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/05/1760s-korean-atlas-seonyeokdo.html
http://blogfiles.naver.net/data33/2008/7/20/288/0021_cms1530.jpg
http://dokdocenter.org/dokdo_news/dokdoup/img/history/old/korea/old_korea32.jpg
http://dokdocenter.org/dokdo_news/dokdoup/img/history/old/korea/old_korea41.jpg
Ulleungdo and Dokdo were part of Korea's Gangwon Province in the olden days.
Gerry Bevers,
ReplyDeleteWhat a shabby excuse! I predicted your absurd explanation, but this is so funny.
The link below shows it was general even for the Japanese cartographers to depict Dokdo as one island, not two. I excluded many Meiji-era maps depicted Matsushima(Dokdo then) as one island because it's likely you would stubbornly insist Matsushima is Ulleongdo, not Dokdo in those maps.
The Japanese depicted Dokdo as one island, not two.
There are a few Japanese maps depicting Dokdo as two islands, but they are the ones referenced the western maps. And "磯竹島略図(Map of Ulleongdo)", "松嶋絵図(Map of Matsushima)" and Kotani Ihei's map depicted Dokdo as two islands. "磯竹島略図" is the map clarifying Japan has nothing to do with Dodo and "松嶋絵図" and Kotani Ihei's map are the maps proving the Japanese fishermen did the illegal fishing activities in the foreign land-Ulleongdo and Dokdo.
In conclusion, your reason Usan in this map is not Dokdo because it's "one" island is very nonsense.
You wrote "the shape of the island is similar to the shape of the island labeled "Jukdo" (竹島) on Lee Gyu-won's 1882 survey map of Ulleungdo." To me, they don't look similar at all. I'm sure nobody except the pro-Japanese people would say the shape of Usan in this is similar to Jukdo in Inspector Lee's map. The link below shows how Usan with two peaks in this map is similar to Dokdo. Jukdo has no peaks.
Usando with two prominent peaks.
Sloww,
ReplyDeleteYou are being silly, as usually. The Japanese maps that show Liancourt Rocks as one island are full-size maps of Japan or Korea or both, not a closeup map of Ulleungdo.
Again, only a goofball would think the Usan on the map is Liancourt Rocks (Dokdo).
ReplyDeleteI don't make silly comments in this blog.
Instead of two islands, two peaks are drawn.
Sloww,
ReplyDeleteThen you do not think it is silly to say that the "one" island labeled "Usan" (于山) just off Ulleungdo's east shore on the map is "Dokdo rather than Ulleungdo's largest neighboring island of Jukdo? Dokdo is essentially two islands about 90 kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo. Jukdo, on the other hand, is Ulleungdo's largest neighboring island, just 2 km off Ulleungdo's east shore.
If you have never heard of Ulleungdo's largest neighboring island, then you might want to look at THIS SATELLITE PHOTO of the northeast shore of Ulleungdo.
Gerry,
ReplyDeleteIf you are going to take these old Korean maps of Ulleungdo literally, then why don't you tell me what those little islets underneath Ulleungdo are?
Almost all old Korean maps of Ulleungdo have these islets drawn underneath Ulleungdo.
What are they?
Are there 3-5 islets just off the southern shore of Ulleungdo? No.
The mapmaker drew Ulleungdo's immediate surrounding islets underneath Ulleungdo, because that was the style of drawing Ulleungdo maps.
These maps weren't just maps. They were also works of art.
As I have said repeatedly, these are "old world" maps.
These maps were made in the pre-modern era. They were hand-drawn with brush and ink.
Korea did not modernize until well into the 20th Century.
There are many inaccuracies in old Korean maps.
Korea didn't have modern technology like steam ships, airplanes, and satellites.
In particular, they didn't have the ability to measure long distances at sea accurately.
This is why in old Korean maps, Ulleungdo and Dokdo (Korea's most remote islands) are not drawn in the exact geographical locations.
But Usando on this map is clearly Dokdo.
Jukdo simply does not have two peaks.
Also, the mapmaker purposely drew Usando at a distance from Ulleungdo, to indicate that Usando is not right next to Ulleungdo (as Jukdo is).
Usando here is Dokdo.
Here are other maps of Ulleungdo where Usando cannot be anything but Dokdo.
"Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿) - late 1800s?)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3580734537_275bdfeabd_b.jpg
"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1750 - 1768)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2108/1825468597_cc82dbf8b6_o.jpg
"Samcheok & Ulleungdo" (1884 - 1894)
http://blog.naver.com/storyphoto/viewer.html?src=http%3A%2F%2Fblogfiles8.naver.net%2Fdata33%2F2008%2F7%2F19%2F263%2F0008_1800m_cms1530.jpg
1893 Map of Samcheok (三陟) and Ulleungdo (鬱陵島)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/5129810742_c9c646c2a6_b.jpg
(The second map, "Joseon Jido", has the seal of the 'Official Map of Joseon'.)
Gerry,
ReplyDeleteYou'll also notice on this map of Gangwon Province (and in other old maps of Gangwondo / Samcheok and Ulleungdo) that Ulleungdo is drawn very close to the Korean mainland.
Does this mean that Ulleungdo is just off the coast of Korea?
No. The mapmakers drew them that way just out of convenience.
That way, they could fit everything into one page.
Gerry Bevers,
ReplyDeleteIt's not silly to say an island with two peaks is Ulleongdo's neighboring island Dokdo even though Dokdo is smaller than Jukdo.
After Ahn Incident, the Koreans coulc get to know better about Usando(Dokdo). Besides, there are Korean records stating "Usan is so-called (Japanese) Matsushima(Dokdo)." It's not silly to be certain the cartogrhpher of this map had knowledge on Usand(Dokdo).
To the map-maker who had Usando(Dokdo) in mind, the size may have not been so important. Jukdo is very close to Ulleongdo and very small. It's not likely Jukdo was important to be depicted in this simple map. Comparing the size with Dokdo, I think the difference of Jukdo and Usando(Dokdo) in size didn't mean significant to the map-makers in the olden time with no satellite.
The link below shows how Jukdo is close to Ulleongdo and small like Dokdo.
Viewing Jukdo from Ulleongdo 1 2