According to THIS KOREAN LANGUAGE POST, the writer says that after Professor Ledyard's hour-long presentation on Kim Jeong-ho's 1861 "Daedong Yeojido" map, he approached the professor and asked why he had not mentioned anything about Dokdo (獨島) and Gando (間島) in his presentation. He says that Professor Ledyard responded by saying, "Kim Jeong-ho had absolutely no concept of Dokdo and Gando." The writer says he was shocked to hear that America's top expert on the "Daedong Yeojido" did not know that Kim Jeong-ho had drawn "Dokdo" on his 1834 "Jeonggu-do" map of Ulleungdo even though the professor had talked about the "Jeonggu-do" map in his presentation. He says he then showed Professor Ledyard a copy of Kim Jeong-ho's 1834 Ulleungdo map to prove that Kim had known of Dokdo, but that after looking at the map, the professor told him, "Dokdo is not written there." He says that Professor Ledyard then walked away.
The Korean attendee obviously thought that the island labeled as "Usan" (于山) on Kim Jeong-ho's 1834 map of Ulleungdo was proof that Kim had known of "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks) and was "shocked" to hear that Professor Ledyard disagreed. I guess the attendee would also be shocked to know that the head of Korea's Dokdo Museum also said that the island labeled as "Usan" on Kim's 1834 map was Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, not Dokdo. Here is what the head of Korea's Dokdo Museum said about the island labeled as "Usan" on Kim's 1834 map in a March 19, 2007 article:
Dokdo Museum Director Lee Seung-jin said, “After confirming the three old maps, it is obvious to anyone that they showed Jukdo, not Dokdo; and even in our country’s academic circles, it is judged to be Jukdo.
By the way, the "Daedong Yeojido" map at the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee has a unique index map that provides more evidence that Kim Jeong-ho did not consider Liancourt Rocks (Dokdo) to be a part of Korea.
By the way it is good to analysis on Yabutarou's flash here,
ReplyDeleteAnd check my video of Usando-Jukdo(Boussole Rock)
His suggestion is very very accurate.
I think Kim doesn’t know much about Ullungdo, he just copied from other detailed Ulluengdo map on 1830's.
ReplyDeleteIf he wrote some geography magazine around 1830's it would be hint for his recognization but we don't know it.
By the way he wrote geography magazine e.g. 與図備誌 and 方與総誌 those magazine is match with 大東與地図 which Usan is just a anotehr name of Ulluengdo.
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ReplyDeleteSorry He draw 東與図誌 around 1830's before producing 青邱図 according to this site
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Mr Bevers, most cartographers Korean, Japanese or European had little concept of what the territories were drawing. They were usually artisans who copied charts for many different sources. So, to say that Kim Jeong Ho had no concept of Dokdo could be said of almost any map maker of the 19th Century.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the other landmarks on Kim Jeon Ho’s map he had little if any concept of Ulleungdo either. It’s just a rehashed map from other sources showing incorrect locations, measurements and non-existent islands. That said whenever I read you citing the distances and measurements on the margin of this map, I always get a good laugh.
BTW, doesn’t the island on the South side look just like Jukdo? No wait, doesn’t the other island on the Southwest look like Jukdo too? You can really see the same mountains!! Really, give me a break..
As I’ve said, outside of the ambiguous Chosun maps you flaunt around there is evidence that Usando was Dokdo Island. (not Jukdo islet). Unfortunately an even-handed study of all the historical records can’t lead us to the definite conclusion you have been trying to ram down our throats.
The Professor stated two opinions;
Dokdo wasn’t written on the map and Kim Jeong Ho had no concept of Dokdo. That’s all, and I agree.
The issue of the true identity of Usando varies from source to source but will always lead us in the direction of possibly maybe for either side. But it’s always good for fun. So Mr Bevers, if you can’t take an evenhanded approach to this historical debate than you are no better than the Korean Dokdo advocates you seem to loathe so much.
GTMOR, yabutarou’s website is a joke. You could analyse any of the adjacent islets drawn on Chosun maps of Ulleungdo and say they look like Jukdo Islet.
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ReplyDeleteThere is an article concerning Professor Gari Ledyard and another old Korean map.
ReplyDeleteMr. Chaamiey's blog site has moved to the following URL.
https://chaamiey.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-3159.html