Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: Steve Barber is back in the Korean news.

3.5.11

Steve Barber is back in the Korean news.

A foreigner's journey of discovery and Dokdo

Excerpt:

After many online discussions about Dokdo with both Japanese and Koreans it became apparent that the two countries have different approaches and origins to their beliefs.

Japan's effort to reclaim Dokdo, which it refers to as Takeshima is fueled by a small but determined group of right wingers. Most of these Japanese are anonymous.

They obsessively lobby and spread propaganda related to other issues of contention between Japan and her neighbors.

Following Internet links that claim Dokdo as Japan's inherent territory will eventually lead you to the same Japanese netizens who deny the Nanjing massacre, comfort women and other wartime atrocities.

However, Korea's claim for Dokdo is supported by the vast majority of Koreans who believe with conviction the islets are theirs.

With this in mind, the Korean government is truly representative of how Koreans feel about Dokdo while Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs seems to be appeasing right wing activists.

It takes a lot of gall for Steve Barber to say such stuff, considering that he used to anonymously post under a variety of IDs until he was caught doing it and his identity explosed.

14 comments:

Gerry Bevers3/5/11 22:39
I can post comments, but not posts. My post buttons are disabled.

Is anyone else having trouble posting on Blogger?
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Kaneganese3/5/11 22:47
Gerry,

My post buttons are missing either. What's on the earth going on?
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Kaneganese3/5/11 23:15
They are back now...
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Gerry Bevers3/5/11 23:17
Mine are not back, Kaneganese. What did you do?
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arkhangelsk3/5/11 23:48
I don't use Blogger though I sometimes comment. To be fair, Steve Barber is right. The recognition of the Dokdo problem is much broader among Koreans than Japanese recognition of the Takeshima problem.

As for the right-wing part, I'm guessing (from limited observation) that a disproportionate amount of Takeshima-proponents also happen to harbor at least some of those thoughts. The center of the Japanese population simply don't care enough, and the left are bleeding hearts who probably think that even if they have no historical evidence, giving the Koreans Takeshima might be a nice idea. Only the right has the motivation to even check.

This is unfortunate b/c quite frankly the Takeshima proponents IMO have quite a strong case. However, people have poor isolation b/w various issues and will dismiss their points simply because of their association with the other issues.

As for the rest of his article, I don't even want to think why drawing visibility lines is not a perfectly natural action for a warship.
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Kaneganese4/5/11 00:43
Gerry,

I didn't do anything and they are gone again. What the...?
Google systems are not stable since last summer.
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Anonymous4/5/11 01:06
My post buttons of Blogger are normal.It may be because my pages do not attract the interest of many others.
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Gerry Bevers4/5/11 03:44
My buttons are now working after I just downloaded and installed Google's "Chrome" browser. However, now I cannot different color text.

Before, I was using Explorer 9, which may have been causing the problems. However, I have not had any problems with other sites.
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Gerry Bevers4/5/11 04:07
The problem seems to be that Blogger and Explorer 9 are not working together very well.

I have switched over to the "New Editor" option on the Settings / Basics page. The option is near the bottom. I do not like the new editor, but it seems to work.
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mini-light14/5/11 13:21
Comment Test
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yabutarou14/5/11 20:26
According to "The official Twitter account for the Blogger product team",

"Nearly all posts since Wed. are restored, now bringing back comments from last couple days. They should be back this weekend or sooner."

コメントが復活するまでしばらくまちます。
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Anonymous16/5/11 00:05
「独島」が描かれた「大東輿地図」筆写本韓国内で初めて発見

点線で囲まれた島が「独島」です。なぜかと言うと、「独島の古名である于山」の文字が鮮明に書かれているからです。

東亜日報 2011.05.13
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Makoto16/5/11 02:52
>点線で囲まれた島が「独島」です。なぜかと言うと、「独島の古名である于山」の文字が鮮明に書かれているからです。

yabutarouさんの検証動画を見せたいですね。「独島の古名である于山」との主張が虚妄であると理解してもらえることでしょう。

2011.5.16
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NE Shore of Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도)

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"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1860 - 1872)

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"Cheonggudo" (靑邱圖) Atlas (1834)

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"Dong Yeodo" (東輿圖) Atlas (1795 - 1800)

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"Joseon-do" (朝鮮圖) - 1800 - 1822

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"Gwandong Bangyeo" (關東方輿) - late 1800s?)

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"Joseon Jido" (朝鮮地圖) Atlas (1750 - 1768)

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Inspector's Map of Ulleungdo (1711)

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"Haejwa Jeondo" (海左全圖) - mid 1800s

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Joseon Jeondo (朝鮮全圖) from the "Gakdo Jido" (各道地圖) Atlas (latter 18th c.)

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"Jeongukdo" (全國圖) from the "Dongguk Daecheondo" (東國大全圖) - 1740

This old Korean map shows Ulleungdo (鬱陵島 - 울릉도) with a small neighboring island just off its east shore labeled as "Usando" (于山島 - 우산도). Koreans claim that Usando was the old name for Dokdo, but this map is evidence against that claim. Liancourt Rocks is essentially two islands ninety-two kilometers southeast of Ulleungdo, but the Usando on this map is one island just off the east shore of Ulleungdo. Usando was, in fact, the old name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo (竹島 - 죽도), which is about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's east shore. This map is stored in the Korean National Museum.

竹島問題の歴史

3.5.11

Steve Barber is back in the Korean news.

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