tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post8945697148731874655..comments2024-01-26T17:48:29.804+09:00Comments on Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: 1892 German Map of East AsiaGerry Bevershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-91435605861961188652008-06-21T14:36:00.000+09:002008-06-21T14:36:00.000+09:00Dear anonymous,You should post all the arguments n...Dear anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You should post all the arguments not only Steve's opinion. <BR/><BR/>I think it'll be good to examine all the possibilities including Steve's opinion, but to post only one-sided opinion will obscure the truth.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-53946680970570606392008-06-21T12:36:00.000+09:002008-06-21T12:36:00.000+09:00Dear Mr dokdo-takeshima.comIt will be great if you...Dear Mr dokdo-takeshima.com<BR/><BR/>It will be great if you allowed me to post what you have said. <BR/><BR/>please give me a permission <BR/><BR/>thnx,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-19186922608749236172008-06-14T07:50:00.000+09:002008-06-14T07:50:00.000+09:00Steve,The western maps which show Ulleungdo was Ja...Steve,<BR/><BR/>The western maps which show Ulleungdo was Japanese territory were due to the name confusion. <BR/><BR/>Matsu-shima or Matsu island is obviously a Japanese name and the name of Matsushima had been remembered in Japan as the remained island in Japan after Japan gave Takeshima away.<BR/><BR/>So western people misunderstood that Argonaut island was Takeshima which was given back to Korea, and Dagelet island was Matsushima which remained in the Japanese territory. (So anyway, Liancourt Rocks or Hornet Rocks were Japanese territory.)<BR/><BR/>So these maps are wrong in a sense as you say but they were the most accurate ones in the late 19th century.<BR/><BR/>I won't say that one can decide the teritorial border on these maps. I am saying that the circumstances around these islands in the late 19th century, just before the 1900 Ordinance, didn't favour your insistency that Seokdo was Dokdo.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-70171131880114623272008-06-14T01:49:00.000+09:002008-06-14T01:49:00.000+09:00Pacifist, what you posting are maps that show Ulle...Pacifist, what you posting are maps that show Ulleungdo as Japanese land. These maps were wrong we know that.<BR/><BR/>In other words, you are deliberately misleading your readers....pretty sad.<BR/><BR/>Since when do 19th Century Western-foreign maps represent the territorial perceptions of Chosun Koreans...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-8274478689001119212008-06-14T01:12:00.000+09:002008-06-14T01:12:00.000+09:00Steve,I am posting about the truth about the envir...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I am posting about the truth about the environment just before the 1900 Ordinance. <BR/><BR/>I'm not interested in the maps centuries ago, we are just talking about the situation in the late 19th century.<BR/><BR/>These evidences support the theory that Seokdo in the 1900 Ordinance can't be Dokdo, as you may already notice.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-16963242331817346122008-06-14T00:51:00.000+09:002008-06-14T00:51:00.000+09:00Pacifist, what you done once again is simply post ...Pacifist, what you done once again is simply post bad maps.<BR/><BR/>These maps show Ulleungdo as Japanese territory. Europeans had long known Ulleungdo (Matsushima-Dagelet) was Korean land for centuries.<BR/><BR/>Those familiar with the region knew about these errors such as seen in Oppert's book printed around 1870.<BR/><BR/>Please read this.<BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-takeshima.com/oppert1.jpg" REL="nofollow">MatsushimaKorean</A><BR/><BR/>Maybe some foreign map who were confused showed Liancourt Rocks as Japanese territory. However, Japanese maps showed them as Korean.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/trespass-map.jpg" REL="nofollow">TrespassMap</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/hosaka-map1.jpg" REL="nofollow">DokdoKorean</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-21901262088279920182008-06-14T00:29:00.000+09:002008-06-14T00:29:00.000+09:00Thanks Kaneganese, that's true. If Japan had a mal...Thanks Kaneganese, that's true. If Japan had a malicious mind to invade Korea, she must have incorporated Ulleungdo as you say.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Matsushima (Ulleungdo) in these western maps may have encouraged Mutoh Heigaku to write "Argument for the Development of Matsushima" (1876) as he said that he was told by an American in Vladivostok that Matsushima was Japan's island.<BR/><BR/>So it is quite natural for one of the international merchants to write that kind of thing in those days. However, Meiji government was careful about the matter and examined precisely by themselves which seems to be quite fair.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-25376174120396728862008-06-14T00:13:00.000+09:002008-06-14T00:13:00.000+09:00Beautiful maps. Thank you, for sharing those maps,...Beautiful maps. Thank you, for sharing those maps, pacifist.<BR/><BR/>I think those maps and the documents which clearly excluded not only Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks but also Ulleungdo are the concrete evidences that Japanese Meiji government were not trying to "grab the island" but simply incorporated their own island which were not occupied by other countries following international law. Otherwise, they had definately incorporated Ulleungdo, either. however, Japanese then knew "Matsushima" is actually Ulleungdo and Korea had strong historical claim, and they didn't incorporated it even though it was far more important than Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks for military pourpose.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-20619491741212582172008-06-13T23:31:00.000+09:002008-06-13T23:31:00.000+09:00Gerry,Lots of thanks for the correction!Gerry,<BR/><BR/>Lots of thanks for the correction!pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-20464940208186686182008-06-13T22:34:00.000+09:002008-06-13T22:34:00.000+09:00Gerry,I tried to post again. I hope this won't be ...Gerry,<BR/><BR/>I tried to post again. I hope this won't be bad. Please correct my bad English. Thanks.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.com