tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post6682244020080515098..comments2024-01-26T17:48:29.804+09:00Comments on Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: AP: "SKorean emotions run high over island dispute"Gerry Bevershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-65330108151400665242008-08-31T07:51:00.000+09:002008-08-31T07:51:00.000+09:00小嶋日向守,You are no inconvenience. On the contrary, y...小嶋日向守,<BR/><BR/>You are no inconvenience. On the contrary, your contributions are appreciated. I still remember your helping with the translation of the 1913 article.<BR/><BR/>Please feel free to comment as much as you like.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-44441031185631704052008-08-31T00:11:00.000+09:002008-08-31T00:11:00.000+09:00Kaneganese, Thank you. I am new at this site.So, I...Kaneganese, <BR/><BR/>Thank you. I am new at this site.<BR/>So, I may inconvenience Gerry, you and other frequenters through my carelessness.<BR/>I would appreciate your advice.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-4172110820024114692008-08-30T08:35:00.000+09:002008-08-30T08:35:00.000+09:00小嶋日向守 様丁寧な解説、ありがとうございます。例の嘘つき人物に関して、私は当サイトのオーナーに、時...小嶋日向守 様<BR/><BR/>丁寧な解説、ありがとうございます。<BR/><BR/>例の嘘つき人物に関して、私は当サイトのオーナーに、時間の無駄なので相手にしないよう言われているので、いちいち反応しないことにしています。ので、こうして私以外の方が彼の嘘を反論して説明していただけると、とても助かります。沢山の資料を提示しながらもっともらしい事を述べ、その実、嘘と欺瞞に満ち満ちているので、本来は一つ一つ反論する必要があるのですが、この人物は一旦論破されても自分のプロパガンダサイトから削除・訂正せず、後日何事も無かったかのようにまったく同じ事を繰り返します。以前はそのたびに新しいIDを作って別人を装っていたのですが、それが暴露され、さすがにここ最近は一つのIDに絞り、しかも今ではアイデンティティをさらし始めたようです。私はこのような嘘つき人物は、”存在しない”ものとみなしています。<BR/><BR/>堀氏、梶村氏さらに内藤正中氏も、イデオロギーの為か、朝鮮半島関連になるととたんに、推測・希望的観測に基づいて、存在の怪しい事までを"ある"と断定し、学者としての一線を越えてしまうのが本当に恐ろしいですね。まあ、実際に川上健三が何と書いたのかこちらでは把握しているので、誰が何と言おうと嘘は嘘なのですが、この嘘が誰から始まってどういう経緯をたどったのか、興味があります。よい題材になると思っています。<BR/><BR/>とにかく、ありがとうございます。そして、これからもご協力お願い致します。Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-23588161689102567842008-08-30T04:54:00.000+09:002008-08-30T04:54:00.000+09:00皆さん,堀和夫さんについてhttp://www.kr-jp.net/ronbun/msc_ron/h...皆さん,<BR/><BR/>堀和夫さんについて<BR/>http://www.kr-jp.net/ronbun/msc_ron/hori1987.pdf<BR/>堀和夫氏は論文でこの大韓與地図の于山島を評して「独島が正しい位置に描かれている」と書いている奇怪な人物。<BR/>同種の地図は、以下も参照。<BR/>http://dokdocenter.e-homp.com/new/history/map_korea.htm?tb=openb_map_korea&curDir=history&idx=64&page=<BR/>1&searchfield=&searchword=&mode=r<BR/>また「竹島外一島」に関して、書かれていない事を「明白に書かれていると」嘘を書いたことから、今日では誰も信用していません。<BR/><BR/>梶村秀樹さん<BR/>漢の武帝が朝鮮北部一帯を平定して「漢四郡」を建郡したことは、歴史的に常識であるが、北朝鮮は、これを証拠もないのに否定しています。<BR/>ところが日本人研究者で、この根拠のない北朝鮮の説を採用する人がいた。<BR/>それが梶村秀樹さんで、その中身は北朝鮮のプロパガンダそのままであって、歴史研究の王道を踏み外すものでした。<BR/><BR/>호리 카즈오씨<BR/>http://www.kr-jp.net/ronbun/msc_ron/hori1987.pdf<BR/>호리 카즈오씨는 논문으로 이 대한여지도의 우야마시마를 평가해 「독도가 올바른 위치에 그려져 있다」라고 쓰고 있는 기괴한 인물.<BR/>동종의 지도는, 이하도 참조.<BR/>http://dokdocenter.e-homp.com/new/history/map_korea.htm?tb=openb_map_korea&curDir=history&idx=64&page=<BR/>1&searchfield=&searchword=&mode=r<BR/>또 「타케시마외일도」에 관해서, 쓰여지지 않은 것을 「명백하게 쓰여져 있으면」거짓말을 쓴 것으로부터, 오늘로는 아무도 신용하고 있지 않습니다.<BR/><BR/>미촌히데키씨<BR/>한의 무제가 조선 북부 일대를 평정 해 「한사군」을 건군 한 것은, 역사적으로 상식이지만, 북한은, 이것을 증거도 없는데 부정하고 있습니다.<BR/>그런데 일본인 연구자로, 이 근거가 없는 북한의 설을 채용하는 사람이 있었다.<BR/>그것이 미촌히데키씨로, 그 내용은 북한의 선전 그대로 있고, 역사 연구의 왕도를 실각하는 것이었습니다.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-79908171710039317702008-08-30T00:40:00.000+09:002008-08-30T00:40:00.000+09:00Calm down, Steve. You seem to have a problem contr...Calm down, Steve. You seem to have a problem controlling your temper. <BR/><BR/>I did not say I have a problem with your wife. I just suggested that you get her to translate Lord's posts for you since you need her to read and translate the crap you write about Dokdo.<BR/><BR/>Since you did not mention Lord's trash talk, I just assumed that you could not read what he wrote.<BR/><BR/>Your wife is not an issue here, except for the fact that she mistranslates your stuff for you, so stop using her for your silly strawman arguments.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-72229438501462334362008-08-30T00:27:00.000+09:002008-08-30T00:27:00.000+09:00Gerry, exactly what is your problem with my Korean...Gerry, exactly what is your problem with my Korean wife? You seem to harp on about her a lot these days. It seems like both you and Kaneganese have trouble separating the debate at hand from your personal emotions. Maybe you both need a vacation.<BR/><BR/>As for Kaneganese, I remember her calling other people liars on this forum before and she was wrong. You'd think she'd know better by now.<BR/><BR/>Gerry, stick with the tour and keep my loved ones out of this.dokdo-takeshima.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262234000937445458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-7408851159469856282008-08-29T23:53:00.000+09:002008-08-29T23:53:00.000+09:00Steve Barber,Why don't you ask your Korean wife to...Steve Barber,<BR/><BR/>Why don't you ask your Korean wife to translate what Lord has been writing lately before you start judging who is meansprited.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-21342985910409020342008-08-29T23:32:00.000+09:002008-08-29T23:32:00.000+09:00Kaneganese, I'm pretty sure that Kawakami did in f...Kaneganese, I'm pretty sure that Kawakami did in fact say Dokdo was not visible from Ulleungdo. His statement was also cited in a publication by a Japanese man (Hideki Kajimura) So obviously it is not a translation error if he is Japanese too.<BR/><BR/>You can see Kawakami's quote on page ten of Hideki Kajimura's article below.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/hideki-kajimura-doc.pdf" REL="nofollow">Hideki-Kajimura</A><BR/><BR/>Another Japanese man also quoted Kawakami as saying Dokdo was not visible. His name was Kazuo Hori. <BR/><BR/>He cites Kawakami on page three of his publication below.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/kazuo-hori-doc.pdf" REL="nofollow">Kazuo-Hori</A><BR/><BR/>So you see it seems that Kawakami did in fact assert that it was not possible to see Dokdo from Ulleungdo. Or at the very least it was published by even Japanese authors that he did. In other words you were wrong to call "Lord" a liar.<BR/><BR/>It's not a nice thing to call people names Kaneganese whether you feel you are right or wrong. You should say you are sorry. I think you can be a very mean spirited person sometimes, either that or you have problem controlling your temper.dokdo-takeshima.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262234000937445458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-54133423646599649742008-08-29T20:38:00.000+09:002008-08-29T20:38:00.000+09:00lord,해저지형도를 보고 주셔 감사합니다.당신과 달리, 지구물리학은 거짓말을 하지 않습니...lord,<BR/><BR/>해저지형도를 보고 주셔 감사합니다.<BR/><BR/>당신과 달리, 지구물리학은 거짓말을 하지 않습니다.<BR/><BR/>만약 일본 열도가 침몰하면, 타케시마도 함께 가라앉아 버리는 것을 이해할 수 있었겠지요.<BR/><BR/>타케시마의 고유 동물은, 모두 일본의 것입니다.<BR/><BR/>죠몽 문화 시대부터, 일본인은 타케시마를 이용으로 하고 있었습니다.<BR/><BR/>50년전에 도둑맞았습니다.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-10087657487997388222008-08-29T17:33:00.000+09:002008-08-29T17:33:00.000+09:00lord,I'm going to repeat the same question again. ...lord,<BR/><BR/>I'm going to repeat the same question again. It has nothing to do with any scholars. It is you and your ability to understand the documents of your own country that are in question. This is the last chance for you to show your piece of intelligence. <BR/><BR/>Here we go.<BR/><BR/>You couldn't bring your evidence that Kawakami did say that Takeshima cannot be seen from Ulleungdo in spite of several requests, hence you are the certified liar. You can't even point out the so-called lies you say in our blog. As I repeatedly said, I don't mind being hated by Korean like you, but all I need is your answer for my question.<BR/><BR/>Now, please give me your own translation of the Korean documents below and explain logically why you think Usando in those documents is Takeshima/Dokdo which can be seen and it is from Ulleungdo, not "Ulleungdo" from "peninsula".<BR/><BR/><B>1452年 - 「高麗史」巻五十八 地理三</B><BR/>"在縣正東海中 新羅時 称于山国 一伝武陵、一伝于陵 一云 于山 武陵 本二島、相距不遠 風日清明 則可望見"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/08/q-4-did-king-sejongs-geography-text.html" REL="nofollow">1454年 - 「世宗実録」 地理志 江原道襄陽縣</A><BR/>"于山 武陵 二島 在縣正東海中 二島相去不遠 風日清明 則可望見 新羅時 称于山国 一云鬱陵島 地方百里 恃険不服" <BR/><BR/><B>1481年 - 「東国輿地勝覧」巻四十五</B><BR/>"蔚珍縣 于山島 鬱陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 鬱陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/08/q-5-did-koreas-1530-sinjeung-dongguk.html" REL="nofollow">1530年 - 「新増東国輿地勝覧」</A><BR/>"蔚珍縣 于山島 鬱陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 欝陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/05/1656-yojiji-by-ryu-hyung-won-didnt-say.html" REL="nofollow">1656年 - 「東国輿地志」巻之七 江原道 蔚珍</A><BR/>"于山島 欝陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 欝陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><B>1694年 - 粛宗實録 20年8月13日</B><BR/>" 朝鮮国礼曹参判李番、奉復日本国対馬大守平公閣下、槎使鼎来、恵□随至、良用慰荷弊邦江原道蔚珍県有属島、名曰蔚陵、在本県東海中、而風濤危険、船路無便、故中年移其民空其地、而時遣公差往来捜検矣、本島峰巒樹木、自陸地歴々望見、而凡其山川紆曲、地形濶狭、民居遺址、土物所産、倶戴於我国輿地勝覧書、歴代相伝、事跡昭然、今者我国辺海漁氓往其島、而不意貴国之人自為犯越、与之相値、反拘執二氓、転到江戸、幸蒙貴国大名明察事情、優加資此、可見交隣之情於尋常、欽□高義、感激何事、然雖我氓漁採之地、本是蔚陵島、而以其産竹、或称竹嶼、此之一島而二名也、一島二名之状、非徒我国書籍之所記、貴州人亦皆知之、而今此来書中、乃以竹島為貴国地方欲令我国禁止漁船更往、而不論貴国人侵渉我境、拘執我氓之夫、豈不有欠於誠信之道乎、深望将此辞意転報東武、申飭貴国辺海之人、無令往来蔚陵島、更致事端惹起、其於相好之誼不勝幸甚、佳領謝、薄物侑緘、統惟照亮、不宣"Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-81109135474026692242008-08-29T14:38:00.000+09:002008-08-29T14:38:00.000+09:00小嶋日向守,당신은 정말로 천재시군요. 당신의 농담은 정말 재미있었습니다.1만년전의 그림을 ...小嶋日向守,<BR/><BR/>당신은 정말로 천재시군요. 당신의 농담은 정말 재미있었습니다.<BR/><BR/>1만년전의 그림을 보니, 일본도 한국땅이었군요. 한국땅에 이어져있었으니, 당연히 일본도 한꾹땅입니다. 1만년이 지나도 영원히 일본은 한국땅일 것입니다.<BR/><BR/>당신의 humor 감각은 정말로 칭찬받아야 마땅합니다. 참 잘했습니다. 하하하Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-63042724436566074082008-08-29T14:04:00.000+09:002008-08-29T14:04:00.000+09:00Lord,당신은 농담을 좋아하네요.나도, 당신에게 조금 농담을 합니다.이하의 사이트의 해저...Lord,<BR/><BR/>당신은 농담을 좋아하네요.<BR/>나도, 당신에게 조금 농담을 합니다.<BR/><BR/>이하의 사이트의 해저지형도를 봐 주세요.<BR/><BR/>http://www1.kaiho.mlit.go.jp/KAN9/<BR/>sodan/kaiteitikei/JAPAN_SEA2.jpg<BR/><BR/>1만 년전의 빙하기에, 해수면이 저하하고, 바다가 앞바다에 물러났던 시기는, 타케시마는 오키 반도의 첨단의 미사키였습니다.<BR/>타케시마는 틀림없이 일본령입니다.<BR/><BR/>1만 년전이나, 수천년 후도 영원히 타케시마는 일본 영토입니다.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-8600210069933408962008-08-29T10:20:00.000+09:002008-08-29T10:20:00.000+09:00Kaneganese,일본인 교수 나부랭이에는 관심도 없다고 이미 말했습니다.당신이 제시한 ...Kaneganese,<BR/><BR/>일본인 교수 나부랭이에는 관심도 없다고 이미 말했습니다.<BR/><BR/>당신이 제시한 한문 원본에 대해서는 이미 알고 있습니다. 독도에 대하여 더 많이 알아야 필요성은 느끼고 있고, 문서를 계속 보고 있습니다.<BR/><BR/>나도 당신들이 하는 것처럼 할 수 있었으면 좋겠습니다. 당신들을 주로 거짓말을 합니다. 당신들은 역사를 마음대로 왜곡하면서 편하게 역사책 만들어서 좋겠군요.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-91046310425165533832008-08-29T10:09:00.000+09:002008-08-29T10:09:00.000+09:00Kaneganese,제발 철좀 드세요.한국 사람들은 따뜻한 사람들입니다. 하지만, 당신같은...Kaneganese,<BR/><BR/>제발 철좀 드세요.<BR/><BR/>한국 사람들은 따뜻한 사람들입니다. 하지만, 당신같은 저질스러운 사람들은 절대적으로 싫어합니다. 그리고, 한국 사람들은 일본에 지진이 발생해도 크게 좋아하지는 않습니다. 일본이 바다 밑으로 가라앉으면 굉장히 좋아할 것입니다.<BR/><BR/>당신의 유치한 생각을 그만두세요. 내가 본 일본인 중에서 당신이 제일 저질이군요. 당신이 저질 1등이 된 것을 축하합니다.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-72813564962140269512008-08-29T09:38:00.000+09:002008-08-29T09:38:00.000+09:00By the way, I do know that most Korean always get ...By the way, I do know that most Korean always get pleased every time when the earthquake hit Japan. <BR/><BR/>I thought it is because of anti-Japanese emotion, but considering what Korean media reported after the earthquake of 四川 and the massacre of Virgia Tech Uni, maybe it is just one of the Korean habit, bad and ugly habit. But I know there are some decent Korean who thinks this habits are not good at the same time. It seems you are the member of former group.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-37440464573859925102008-08-29T09:23:00.000+09:002008-08-29T09:23:00.000+09:00lord,You couldn't bring your evidence that Kawakam...lord,<BR/><BR/>You couldn't bring your evidence that Kawakami did say that Takeshima cannot be seen from Ulleungdo in spite of several requests, hence you are the certified liar. You can't even point out the so-called lies you say in our blog.<BR/><BR/>Now, please give me your own translation of the Korean documents below and explain logically why you think Usando in those documents is Takeshima/Dokdo which can be seen and it is from Ulleungdo, not "Ulleungdo" from "peninsula". <BR/><BR/><B>1452年 - 「高麗史」巻五十八 地理三</B><BR/>"在縣正東海中 新羅時 称于山国 一伝武陵、一伝于陵 一云 于山 武陵 本二島、相距不遠 風日清明 則可望見"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/08/q-4-did-king-sejongs-geography-text.html" REL="nofollow">1454年 - 「世宗実録」 地理志 江原道襄陽縣</A><BR/>"于山 武陵 二島 在縣正東海中 二島相去不遠 風日清明 則可望見 新羅時 称于山国 一云鬱陵島 地方百里 恃険不服" <BR/><BR/><B>1481年 - 「東国輿地勝覧」巻四十五</B><BR/>"蔚珍縣 于山島 鬱陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 鬱陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/08/q-5-did-koreas-1530-sinjeung-dongguk.html" REL="nofollow">1530年 - 「新増東国輿地勝覧」</A><BR/>"蔚珍縣 于山島 鬱陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 欝陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/05/1656-yojiji-by-ryu-hyung-won-didnt-say.html" REL="nofollow">1656年 - 「東国輿地志」巻之七 江原道 蔚珍</A><BR/>"于山島 欝陵島 一云武陵 一云羽陵 二島在県正東海中 三峯及業掌空 南峯梢卑 風日清明則峯頭樹木 及山根沙渚 歴々可見 風便則二日可到 一説干山 欝陵 本一島 地方百里"<BR/><BR/><B>1694年 - 粛宗實録 20年8月13日</B><BR/>" 朝鮮国礼曹参判李番、奉復日本国対馬大守平公閣下、槎使鼎来、恵□随至、良用慰荷弊邦江原道蔚珍県有属島、名曰蔚陵、在本県東海中、而風濤危険、船路無便、故中年移其民空其地、而時遣公差往来捜検矣、本島峰巒樹木、自陸地歴々望見、而凡其山川紆曲、地形濶狭、民居遺址、土物所産、倶戴於我国輿地勝覧書、歴代相伝、事跡昭然、今者我国辺海漁氓往其島、而不意貴国之人自為犯越、与之相値、反拘執二氓、転到江戸、幸蒙貴国大名明察事情、優加資此、可見交隣之情於尋常、欽□高義、感激何事、然雖我氓漁採之地、本是蔚陵島、而以其産竹、或称竹嶼、此之一島而二名也、一島二名之状、非徒我国書籍之所記、貴州人亦皆知之、而今此来書中、乃以竹島為貴国地方欲令我国禁止漁船更往、而不論貴国人侵渉我境、拘執我氓之夫、豈不有欠於誠信之道乎、深望将此辞意転報東武、申飭貴国辺海之人、無令往来蔚陵島、更致事端惹起、其於相好之誼不勝幸甚、佳領謝、薄物侑緘、統惟照亮、不宣"<BR/><BR/>Don't run away.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-20582648174159856062008-08-29T09:02:00.000+09:002008-08-29T09:02:00.000+09:00小嶋日向守,저는 많은 한자를 읽을 수는 없습니다. 평소에 한자를 쓸 일이 거의 없습니다. ...小嶋日向守,<BR/><BR/>저는 많은 한자를 읽을 수는 없습니다. 평소에 한자를 쓸 일이 거의 없습니다. 한자에 대한 필요성을 요즘 많이 느끼는군요.<BR/><BR/>하지만, 한글은 한자보다 computer 입력이 7배 빠르다고 합니다. 한자처럼 5000자 이상 알아야 할 필요도 없습니다.<BR/><BR/>일본어에서는 ball 발음을 못해서 bo-reu 라고 발음한다는데, 사실인가요? 최소한 한글에서는 그런 것은 없습니다.<BR/><BR/>당신의 편견으로 세상을 보지 마시기 바랍니다.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-10992728415474196312008-08-29T08:59:00.000+09:002008-08-29T08:59:00.000+09:00Kaneganese,당신은 정말로 형편없는 인간이군요.그렇다면, 한국도 일본에 지진이라도 ...Kaneganese,<BR/><BR/>당신은 정말로 형편없는 인간이군요.<BR/><BR/>그렇다면, 한국도 일본에 지진이라도 발생해서 사람들이 죽기를 바라야 한다는 말입니까?<BR/><BR/>당신의 저질스러운 생각을 그만두시기 바랍니다.<BR/><BR/>당신의 거짓말은 이미 모두 증명되었습니다. 제발 눈과 귀를 막지 마세요. 당신들의 정부가 당신들을 조작하고 있습니다.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-39569764595560190002008-08-29T03:29:00.000+09:002008-08-29T03:29:00.000+09:00Lord,나는, 한국의 학생으로부터 「도쿄대학의 학생이라면 한자를 3천 문자 정도 이해할 ...Lord,<BR/><BR/>나는, 한국의 학생으로부터 「도쿄대학의 학생이라면 한자를 3천 문자 정도 이해할 수 있습니까」라고 하는 질문을 받았던 적이 있다.<BR/>내가, 「일본인이라면 누구라도 그 정도는 알고 있어요」라고 대답하면, 그는 놀라고 있었습니다.<BR/>이 사이트에 있는 일본인의 단골들은, 읽는 것 뿐이면 4천에서 5천 문자의 지식이 있는 사람들이라고 생각합니다.<BR/>당신도, 우민 정책에 의해 자란 문맹 세대인것 같다.<BR/>한문을 이해할 수 없으면, 무지의 치욕을 쬘 뿐입니다.<BR/>누구에게도 상대로 해 주지 않을 것입니다.<BR/>부디, 진지하게 공부해 주세요.<BR/><BR/>한국내에서 보도되는 정보는, 한자를 읽을 수 없기 위해(때문에) 사실을 알 수 할 수 없는 사람을 속이기 위한 것입니다.<BR/>당신의 소개한 사이트는, 벌써 왜곡이 폭로해진 잘못된 기사 뿐입니다.<BR/>일본에서 교육을 받은 재일 한국인에게는, 한국측의 독도 영유의 주장의 황당 무계에 기가 막히고 있는 사람이 대부분 있습니다.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-71503616022522850152008-08-29T01:02:00.000+09:002008-08-29T01:02:00.000+09:00lord,You keep ruuning away from presenting your ev...lord,<BR/><BR/>You keep ruuning away from presenting your evidence to support your claim and what is now? You just shut up your eyes and only hear what is soft to your emotion? Well, as long as you don't show me the origninal document by Kawakami, you have no right to call anyone a liar because it is you who are lying.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, as I said, I don't mind Korean hate Japanese at all. I kind of enjoy to see the emotional reaction by them, especially the way they call us liar when they can't even point out what is a "lie" and what is truth. <BR/><BR/>Actually, I sort of think it is a good timing since Korean economy seems to be going to jump into the IMF-ish situation soon. I don't want to spend any single yen of our taxpayers' money to help Korean government anymore. Teachers' guideline for the handbook helped President Lee to gain popularity back and I think that is enogh for now,Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-87895317023423496882008-08-29T00:34:00.000+09:002008-08-29T00:34:00.000+09:00Holy Cow Kaneganese!!Do you how many people Japane...Holy Cow Kaneganese!!<BR/><BR/>Do you how many people Japanese killed between 1910 and 1945?<BR/><BR/>What you just said is an outrage to anyone who fought against your ancestors in WWII. If anyone is guilty of propaganda it would be you.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, he is what Japan was doing around northeast Asia while they silently annexed Liancourt Rocks without an official external announcement of public display. It's no wonder even most Japanese had no idea Japan annexed Liancourt Rocks. They didn't even mention the name when they supposedly "announced" it.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-takeshima-day.html" REL="nofollow">The-Ugly-Truth-Of-Takeshima-Day</A>dokdo-takeshima.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262234000937445458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-45447214072931520442008-08-29T00:24:00.000+09:002008-08-29T00:24:00.000+09:00lord,In case you don't even realize, all the pro-K...lord,<BR/><BR/>In case you don't even realize, all the pro-Korean site you showed are listed on the "pro-Korean site" on our blog. Check it out by yourself. We all know what those sites says. First two sites are nothing but a propaganda. <BR/><BR/>If you want to have decent discussion on this blog, please study Korean/Japanese documents by yourself and bring the original documents to backl up your claim, not the url of those sites. If you don't raed the originals by yourself, you will be fooled by their manipulation. <BR/><BR/>Remember, Korean government slaughtered their own people much much more than Japanese killed during the 35 years of occupation. And North Korean king are still keep killing their own people every day even now. Korean government have enough reason to use Takeshima and textbook issue to teach Korean kids to hate Japanese so that they don't see the fact that Korean Government does lie and they are actually worse than Japanese Imperial government when it comes to the numbers of killing Korean people.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-18792048747420291522008-08-29T00:19:00.000+09:002008-08-29T00:19:00.000+09:00Kaneganese says Liancourt Rocks was incorporated "...Kaneganese says Liancourt Rocks was incorporated "peacefully" Well Kaneganese Japan's own political and military records prove you wrong. We know the Japanese annexed the island in Japan's hostile bid to control the Korean peninsula. So I warn you to stop whitewashing the past or you will continue to give yourself a black eye.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-x-files2.html" REL="nofollow">Japan's-Military-On-Dokdo</A><BR/><BR/>The political circumstances surrounding Japan's incorporation were rotten as well.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-expansionism-politics.html" REL="nofollow">Japan's-Bogus-Claim</A><BR/><BR/>We also know Japan's geographic basis for incorporating Liancourt Rocks was totally off. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese-1.html" REL="nofollow">Dokdo-Must-Be-Korean</A><BR/><BR/><B><I>There is no way in Hell Japan can ever have Dokdo Takeshima and still arrive at an equitable solution to this problem as long as Japan's claim is based on a the circumstances of 1905 Kaneganese. That is why Japan continues to fail to win public support.</I></B><BR/><BR/>Kaneganese, there was no Japanese "hut" on Liancourt Rocks when Japan annexed the islets. The logbooks of the Tsushima said it was in ruin. Nakai Yozaburo was not "living on" Liancourt Rocks at the time of Japan's incorporation, he was conducting his activity from Korea's Ulleungdo Island. Nakai Yozuburo was just one of hundreds of ignorant, illiterate violent squatters illegally fishing and logging on Ulleungdo since at least 1899 and probably much earlier.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese-2.html" REL="nofollow">Violent-Japanese-On-Ulleungdo</A><BR/><BR/>You have to give up your propaganda Kaneganese, the cat is out of the bag about Japan's illegal 1905 incorporation. Any attempts to deny these facts when the primary documents are staring you right in the face simply makes you look foolish.dokdo-takeshima.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262234000937445458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-48082916929282183882008-08-28T23:48:00.000+09:002008-08-28T23:48:00.000+09:00lord,"또 한 국제법으로 당신들의 주장은 효과가 없습니다. 한국이 실효지배를 하고 있었...lord,<BR/><BR/>"또 한 국제법으로 당신들의 주장은 효과가 없습니다. 한국이 실효지배를 하고 있었고, 당신들은 국가를 상대로 실효지배를 선포한 것이 아니라 울릉도를 상대로 시네마현에서 선포한 것입니다. 실효지배가 인정되려면, 국가를 상대로 선포해야 합니다. 그리고, 이전에 실효지배를 하고 있지 않아야 합니다."<BR/><BR/>It shows how ignorant you are...<BR/><BR/>First of all, there is no single documents that Korean ever had effective control over Takeshima/Dokdo before 1905. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, Japanese government made sure that there is no trace of being occupied by any other countries, including Korea.<BR/><BR/>Thirdly, there is no need for "nation" to "declare" the sovereignty to the other party in order to get admitted their "effective control" in the international law arena. It is only Korean scholar who are insisting this. If you insist, show me any proof (done by other than Korean scholar) to support your claim. Japanese Navy were constructing watchtower on the island in 1905, but Korean didn't even know about those Japanese activities on the island until 1906. How can you claim that Korean had "effctive control"? If they didn't lodge the protest, it means they admitted the Japanese sovereignty over the island.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, Japanese fishery businessman Nakai Yozaburou did constructed the hut for seal hunting and Japanese government considered it as a evidence of "effective control", thus they incorporated it into Shimane. Were there any Korean hut on the island in 1904-1905? No, Nada.<BR/><BR/>Well, I really think you need to study more basic knowledge of the issue. Or you will never ever convince anyone on this blog.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-91815084867247030142008-08-28T23:25:00.000+09:002008-08-28T23:25:00.000+09:00Correction"Then I again warned you if you don't sh...Correction<BR/><BR/>"Then I again warned you if you don't show the evidence to back up your translation, you again failed."<BR/><BR/>→<BR/><BR/>"Then I warned you second time if you don't show the evidence to back up your translation, I technically consider you are lying, but you failed again."Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.com