tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post5090407392751493664..comments2024-01-26T17:48:29.804+09:00Comments on Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: Article on the Syngman Rhee Line: Lies, lies, lies.Gerry Bevershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-14758459239795962542011-10-21T07:24:07.412+09:002011-10-21T07:24:07.412+09:00Makotoさんへ
勘違いではありません。SPAMメールやツイッターを悪用していたと類推されるコメン...Makotoさんへ<br />勘違いではありません。SPAMメールやツイッターを悪用していたと類推されるコメント、悪用を前提としたコメントを含めて削除をお願いしたいということです。悪用が錯誤だったわけですから。opphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01174343282738727130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-44265558437748969112011-10-21T00:19:30.227+09:002011-10-21T00:19:30.227+09:00This comment has been removed by the author.Makotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528932854910517750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-69902575179766742492011-10-15T20:46:12.931+09:002011-10-15T20:46:12.931+09:00Makotoさんへ
本人とコンタクトがとれYabutaroさんのWondrousさんに対する憶測が間...Makotoさんへ<br />本人とコンタクトがとれYabutaroさんのWondrousさんに対する憶測が間違いだと判明しました。<br />故意でないにしろ、結果的には誹謗中傷になりますので関連コメントを削除願えないでしょうか。お願いします。opphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01174343282738727130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-63217750982691762182011-10-15T17:46:22.798+09:002011-10-15T17:46:22.798+09:00jenn
I think Garry not to be favor in Korea by t...jenn<br /><br /><br />I think Garry not to be favor in Korea by the favor in Japan. Will not what he is interested in be true? It is seen to me to solve a dispute over the dominium of an island known as Takeshima or Tok-do based on objective evidence to occupy most of his interest.<br />It will be because you do not know some facts if you feel his claim when it is favor in Japan. As for criticizing him, you acquired complete knowledge; should leave it.Makotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528932854910517750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-78815984105360533272011-10-15T13:28:32.658+09:002011-10-15T13:28:32.658+09:00Garry Bevers
It seems you already decided your po...Garry Bevers<br /><br />It seems you already decided your position and criticize most Korean claims as lies or groundless. And most of your posts are against Korean side.<br /><br />When I read the purpose of this blog, I expected very fair discussion from both sides. But you are leading this blog as pro-Japan, which is very disappointing.<br /><br />I don’t care if you are pro-Japan or not, but if you want your blog as unbiased and constructive site of discusstion for both Korean and Japanese, you should do some changes.jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16741257254204169664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-22419530036202802792008-07-21T18:43:00.000+09:002008-07-21T18:43:00.000+09:00gerry,Why is that blog sites posted by one of thre...gerry,<BR/>Why is that blog sites posted by one of three (gerry, kanehanese, or pacifist) starts with history of Rhee Line, but when Korean uses the history you say go back to Dokdo issues? How can Dokdo issue be settled without looking at the history? Historically, Dokdo belongs to Korea.<BR/>Why do pacifist, kaneganese, and gerry ignore Japanese maps prior to 1905 as legitimate? See a map created by Hayashi Shihei (Japanese Scholar), he clearly labeled and colored the Dokdo as Joseon (Korea).<BR/>http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-Hayashi-shihei.html (Steve Barbar’s site)<BR/>http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-Japanese-records1.html (Other maps from Steve’s site)<BR/>Japanesse Documents showing, they have "noting to do" with island.<BR/>http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/temp14.html<BR/>yet, Korea had land survey of Dokdo.<BR/><BR/>Below is good link to Dokdo history and info for people who wants to learn more on Dokdo<BR/>http://www.korea.net/News/Issues/issueView.asp?issue_no=45<BR/>http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com<BR/><BR/>http://www.dokdo.go.kr/for/index.php?lang_code=ENG<BR/><BR/>http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/page4.htmlDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04418601883046296733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-39577180811507308442008-07-21T17:20:00.000+09:002008-07-21T17:20:00.000+09:00About your comment...opp,We all know that Korea wi...About your comment...<BR/><BR/>opp,<BR/><BR/>We all know that Korea will not give it up even if they realize that they are wrong.<BR/><BR/>Because giving it back to their neighbor will "cause their stomachs to hurt". :-)<BR/><BR/>Eventually, Japan will be forced to take it back by force if Japan really wants it back.<BR/><BR/>By force? Do you mean war?<BR/>I thank that is a great idea...<BR/>I think the Korean gov't should end this outrageous attacks from japan once and for all. under japanese colonization, North Koreans had suffered as much as South Koreans. The past dictator Kim Il Song, was actually a freedom fighter working together with other japanese resistance. Its just that he favored communism. Which eventually let to the Korean war and the division. North Koreans suffered as much as South Koreans did and had to endure same hardships. I believe war between japan and Korea will actually give chance of uniting the two. And with unified force, especially with North Korean's nuclear capabilities, The united Korea can end this nonsence once and for all.Flancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02500618623111900124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-41830661142425420652008-07-21T16:37:00.000+09:002008-07-21T16:37:00.000+09:00About your comment to Gracie,"Korea keeps educatin...About your comment to Gracie,<BR/><BR/>"Korea keeps educating "Dokdo is ours" for years, why can't Japan educate the same as Korea -"Takeshima is ours"?<BR/><BR/>I don't think its okay to teach children facts that are not true.<BR/>Then they will grow up with believing in lies...right? no?<BR/>Thats same thing as teaching my child that the shed on your back yard is actually mine, so we should gather inaccurate and false ducuments and take back the shed. And also say, "Oh, and daddy did not kill our neighbors dog, experimented on the cat, burned down the trees, stole all the valuables I can take, and raped the neighbors wife and daughter when I forced myself into our neighbors house...it never happened eventhough what police and people say otherwise..."Flancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02500618623111900124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-70991600748677329622008-07-21T16:20:00.000+09:002008-07-21T16:20:00.000+09:00According to you..."Steve always says that Korea c...According to you..."Steve always says that Korea couldn't refute in 1905 because they were under control of Japan. But it was not right". <BR/>Are you saying that Korea was not under the control of japan? Are you even denying the fact that japan colonize Korea? Are you denying all the history which is not in favor of japan? I really can't understand...are you that ignorant? Are you saying that under japanese colonization, Koreans were free to do as we pleased? When japanese attacked Pearl Harbor unprovoked and and murdered many innocent Americans, that also never happend? <BR/>Are japanese trying to re-write the history? You don't want to talk about this on this site because it should only deal with Dokdo? I disagree. Dokdo and japanese colonization or should I say foceful occupation should be talked about together as one. Let all the truth come out.Flancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02500618623111900124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-39643861936955212352008-07-21T16:06:00.000+09:002008-07-21T16:06:00.000+09:00Flance,The subject of this blog is Dokdo/Takeshima...Flance,<BR/><BR/>The subject of this blog is Dokdo/Takeshima, so please try to stay on that subject.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-7373990305768389892008-07-21T16:00:00.000+09:002008-07-21T16:00:00.000+09:00Did you say "Korea was a protectorate of Japan"? l...Did you say "Korea was a protectorate of Japan"? lol...Do you know what japanese did to korean as "Protectorate of japan" as you call it? Does protector try to destroy one country's history? Does protector dig up korean royal familes tombs and steal the priceless history and use it as private furnitures, house hold items, building block to houses, and so on? Does protector make all Koreans get rid of their Korean names and use only japanese names? Don't forget all the murders and rapes you have commited and the medical experiments you have done on innocent civilians as "protector". You can try to package all your wrong doings as you wish, but history does not change. Korea was protectorate of japan huh? Murdered our last Queen in her palace and burnt her body...hmmmm good job japan. If you do not accept your history of wrong doings that you have commited and teach you children lies and after lies...you will be judged. Life is very fair.Flancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02500618623111900124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-6330984897547296912008-07-21T14:30:00.000+09:002008-07-21T14:30:00.000+09:00pacifist:"Steve (dokdo-takeshima.com) always says ...pacifist:<BR/><BR/>"Steve (dokdo-takeshima.com) always says that Korea couldn't refute in 1905 because they were under control of Japan. But it was not right" - You can see from below link, that it is true that Japan had taken control of Korea prior to 1905. <BR/>Understanding of Korean-Japanese history in mid to late 1800 is important to Dokdo issue as Japan officially claimed to incorporated Takeshima into Shimane in 1905. Even before 1905, Japan had control over Korea. This is obvious since Japanese Minister in Korea was able to murder last Korean Queen Min in her palace because she was aligning with Russian. How can anyone get to Queen’s quarter and kill her if you do not have such power over Korea? <BR/> <BR/>Doesn't that prove Steve is correct, that Korea couldn't refute Japanese claim of Dokdo in Shimane in 1905. It’s seems, pro-Japanese are forgetting or may not taught in school, the true history.<BR/><BR/>http://www.shikokuhenrotrail.com/japanhistory/meijihistory.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-68766148826727113392008-07-21T13:17:00.000+09:002008-07-21T13:17:00.000+09:00Kaneganese,I did try to log in, but It would not l...Kaneganese,<BR/><BR/>I did try to log in, but It would not let me post the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-10278733976281341442008-07-21T11:11:00.000+09:002008-07-21T11:11:00.000+09:00Anonymous,You can name yourself in the way you lik...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You can name yourself in the way you like, if you registered to google I think.<BR/><BR/>Back to your comment, it is a usual practice to mix up all the "wrong doings" of Japanese imeperialism but it's not right in this blog.<BR/><BR/>If we argue about the annexation, the war, the situation of Yi Dynasty, the situation of the Korean progressive political parties, etc...it would be endless, because I know you have your opinions but we too have our opinions.<BR/><BR/>But this is not the blog to argue these problems. These are not related with Takeshima/Dokdo issue. Steve always use the same tactics but the annexation of Korea (1910) and the incorporation of Takeshima (1905) was another thing.<BR/><BR/>Steve always says that Korea couldn't refute in 1905 because they were under control of Japan. But it was not right. <BR/><BR/>In those days Korea was a protectorate of Japan because Korea was on the verge of collapse, but it was still a country. They could do their domestic administration although they couldn't conclude a treaty with foreign countries without Japan's permission.<BR/><BR/>In reality, the Korean government of the Great Korean Empire (大韓帝国) ordered the investigation of the incorporation of Takeshima and the Japanese convoy to Ulleungdo (1906). The local government answered to the central government but after that the central government didn't order anything, which means they noticed that the island was not Korean territory - as 大韓帝国 clearly recognised its eastern limit of territory was Ullengdo (please read 大韓地誌). <BR/><BR/>And Steve always criticizes that the purpose of the incorporation was military reason in connection with Russo-Japanese war. It was a fact that it happend during the war but Steve's insistency is unreasonable because Japan had already installed watchtowers in Ulleungdo and another Korean islands in 1904. Japan could install watchtowers at Liancourt Rocks without the incorporation. Liancourt was not Korean land, it was an ownerless island before the incorporation, it was not a merit to incorporate it for the military reason.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-24363516291624712032008-07-21T03:30:00.000+09:002008-07-21T03:30:00.000+09:00There is no point on arguing on this blog because ...There is no point on arguing on this blog because japanese will never admit all the wrongs it has done, eventhough all the world knows about it. Why don't you japanese teach your children that you never Murdered any Koreans, Chinese, or Americans. Teach your children that you never forced comfort woman to give up their bodies to your perverted needs. Teach your children that you never murdered Queen Min and burt her body. Teach your children Pear Harbor never happened.Teach your childrens lie after lies. Ignorance is bliss right?<BR/>Oh, by the way this is a new writer, I tried to use my ID but it does not seem to work. My ID is Seanie61275Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-12683197602552141432008-07-20T21:36:00.000+09:002008-07-20T21:36:00.000+09:00No more anonymous, guys. Are there decent Korean w...No more anonymous, guys. <BR/><BR/>Are there decent Korean who has guts to use ID and take responsibility for what he/she said?Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-59695924840286736542008-07-20T21:34:00.000+09:002008-07-20T21:34:00.000+09:00”I can't beleive this, Blog masters writing lies.....”I can't beleive this, Blog masters writing lies... lies... lies. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it ironic that your Japanese propaganda blog site started with ... Lies, lies, lies. Any people with some knowlege of history will see lob sided Japanese propaganda and lies you posting along the way.<BR/>”<BR/><BR/>Gerry's not Japanese. Read before you critisize, will you?Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-44533471955926865252008-07-20T20:40:00.000+09:002008-07-20T20:40:00.000+09:00Anonymous,This is not a lie. You are made to belie...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>This is not a lie. You are made to believe anti-Japan propaganda by such organisations.<BR/><BR/>But this blog is not for discussion on the issue. Please discuss the matter at some other bolgs.<BR/><BR/>Please give your opinon on the Takeshima/Dokdo issue. We have not received evidence yet to show that Korea really knew and used Liancourt Rocks before Japanese did. <BR/>Aren't there such evidences?pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-90912298900967847052008-07-20T20:35:00.000+09:002008-07-20T20:35:00.000+09:00I can't beleive this, Blog masters writing lies......I can't beleive this, Blog masters writing lies... lies... lies. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it ironic that your Japanese propaganda blog site started with ... Lies, lies, lies. Any people with some knowlege of history will see lob sided Japanese propaganda and lies you posting along the way.<BR/><BR/>Shame on you! Good nightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-79147584309231765902008-07-20T20:15:00.000+09:002008-07-20T20:15:00.000+09:00Anonymous,Please use your ID before commenting.And...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Please use your ID before commenting.<BR/><BR/>And this is not a blog to talk about comfort women, but I would add one thing - there is a misunderstanding in the comfort women issue which was intentionally made by anti-Japan organisations. <BR/><BR/>There were comfort women (or whores I should say) before WW2 inside Japan and Korea too, if you want to call them so - it was admitted as a business in those days. As war was going hard, they were brought to the place beside military bases because all of Japanese young males were there but it was a business, not forced by the military power. In those days, women from some poor families in poor district or villiages sometimes had to go into such business but it was the same in Japan too. And sometimes their dads had to make a deal with the whorehouse owners when their daughters didn't know about it - so the "sold" daughters may have felt as if they were "forced". But as I wrote above, the situation was the same in Japan too, and 80% or 90% of such women were Japanese. But none of them have complained as they were "forced" to do so. <BR/><BR/>And one more thing about the misunderstanding was the word "女子挺身隊" (a party of girls who dedicated their bodies). This word was used as volunteer works of girls at factories etc, not "comfort women" but the word was taken as different meaning. It is a big misunderstanding.<BR/><BR/>And at the end, I would add one more thing - it has been said that Korean soldiers had inadequate sexual relations with Vietnamese women during the Vietnam war. Many illegitinate children in Vietnam suffered from non-recognition by Korean fathers, but I've heard that the news was not distributed into Korea at all.<BR/><BR/>But anyway, this blog is for Takeshima/Dokdo issue. Please give your opinions on the issue.pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-43658498210230583652008-07-20T20:13:00.000+09:002008-07-20T20:13:00.000+09:00Such a bunch of losers...He can't even have guts t...Such a bunch of losers...He can't even have guts to use ID and take responsibility what he says.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-36506340634479299932008-07-20T19:49:00.000+09:002008-07-20T19:49:00.000+09:00kaneganese:Regarding your comment at 6:29 PM. Did ...kaneganese:<BR/>Regarding your comment at 6:29 PM. Did you bother to evlauate links provided before asking people to learn history? The links are pretty clear of Korean history. If you have counter argument, you should state your argument other than "use ID if you want to have decent discussion, or I can't comment on you".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-76318995745738234152008-07-20T19:33:00.000+09:002008-07-20T19:33:00.000+09:00kaneganese,"All I know was what he studied for so-...kaneganese,<BR/>"All I know was what he studied for so-called comfort woman issue was full of ignorance." - You must be kidding, are you claiming that did not happen? Perhaps, you are not tought your dark side of history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-66079239651757971482008-07-20T19:19:00.000+09:002008-07-20T19:19:00.000+09:00kaneganese,You did not have issue with commenting ...kaneganese,<BR/>You did not have issue with commenting before... I guess you can not argue the truthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-73810964673138575382008-07-20T18:53:00.001+09:002008-07-20T18:53:00.001+09:00All the anonymous fellows, I cannot comment on ano...All the anonymous fellows, <BR/><BR/>I cannot comment on anonymous comments anymore. If you want to make a serious discussion, please use ID. So that I can identify whom I am talking to.Kaneganesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533339719864245857noreply@blogger.com