tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post3913756889733974894..comments2024-01-26T17:48:29.804+09:00Comments on Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: 1901 "Daehanjiji" (大韓地誌) Map of Korea's Gangwon ProvinceGerry Bevershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-67786481744291443932012-01-08T18:18:27.859+09:002012-01-08T18:18:27.859+09:00Gerry Bevers,
the name 于山島竹島 was meant to show th...Gerry Bevers,<br /><br />the name 于山島竹島 was meant to show that the one island had two names. <br /><br />--> You are wrong.The name Usando/Jukdo (于山島竹島) indicates two separate islands,<br />于山島竹島 is the name of one island? There's no such a weird name in the history of Jukdo or Dokdo. 于山島 is Japanese's Matsushima (Dokdo) as Ahn Yong-bok said.<br /><br /><br />Usando would have been the larger since it was named first; however, since Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo is larger than Liancourt Rocks, <br /><br />--> Who did set the rule that Jukdo should come first in the word combination because it's larger than Usando(Dokdo)? How about this rule that Usando should come first because it's more important than Jukdo? There's no way readers can know why Usando comes before Jukdo in this newspaper article, but what obvious thing is that Usando and Jukdo are the most prominent Ulleongdo's neighboring islands. <br /><br /><br />Besides, can Liancourt Rocks (Takeshima/Dokdo) really be considered a neighboring island of Ulleungdo considering that it is ninety-two kilometers away from Ulleungdo?<br /><br />--> Historically, both Korean and Japanese documents explained Ulleungdo and Dokdo are not far from each other and Dokdo is visible from Ulleungdo. And there are Japanese documents describing Dokdo as "island within Ulleugndo( 竹島之內松島)", "island near Ulleungdo(竹島近邊松島), "an attached island to Ulleungdo(松島ハ竹島ノ隣島) and so on. How come do the Pro-Japanese people ignore the Japanese own records clearly describing Dokdo as Ulleungdo's neighboring island? It's true that Usando(Dokdo) is Ulleungdo's neighboring island.<br /><br /><br />Koreans claim that the "Seokdo" mentioned in the 1900 royal edict was a reference to "Dokdo" (Liancourt Rocks), but there are no Korean maps or documents to support that claim. <br /><br />--> It's very, very sorry Korea didn't have any map or document showing Seokdo to stop Japanese from claiming sovereignty over Dokdo, but it doesn't mean Seokdo is not Dokdo. Seokdo is one of other names referring to Dokdo and there are many records proving Dokdo is Korean territory. To claim Seokdo is not Usando(Dokdo), pro-Japanese people should first answer then what Seokdo indicates. Seokdo means "rock island". What is Ulleungdo's neighboring island which has meaning of "rock island" except Dokdo? <br /><br /><br />it is much more likely that it was used as a catchall word to include in the county all the other "rocky islets" that surround Ulleungdo.<br /><br />--> Dokdo is one of all the other "rocky islets" surrounding Ulleungdo. So you proved Dokdo is included in the Ulldo County. Your interpretation is not right, but I'm glad you admitted Dokdo is included in the Ulldo County.<br /><br /><br />The location and size of Usando(Dokdo) in the 大韓地誌 is not accurate at all, but it's not the issue here. The important thing is mapmaker recognized Usando and tried to put it in the limited space of the map. <br /><br />In conclusion, the authour of 大韓地誌 definitely considered Dokdo as Korean land.slowwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523416862007638345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-70950679060350735392012-01-08T18:15:54.101+09:002012-01-08T18:15:54.101+09:00This comment has been removed by the author.slowwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523416862007638345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-15347881306713787662012-01-08T18:15:52.625+09:002012-01-08T18:15:52.625+09:00This comment has been removed by the author.slowwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523416862007638345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-62375182572000390182008-05-18T23:43:00.000+09:002008-05-18T23:43:00.000+09:00I think they just added 芋山島,referenced from other ...I think they just added 芋山島,referenced from other geography informations.<BR/><BR/>Only the information avove, I cannot judge 芋山島 on this doccument is Jukdo.<BR/>Jukdo is shown on 1882 maps and Usando is shown on 大韓地誌1899.<BR/>I think they don't know what is 芋山島. If they recognized 芋山島 be Liancourt Rocks, they would wrote 芋山島 is 200余里 away from 鬱陵島.<BR/><BR/>Please anyone confirm the article I suggested above, especially<BR/>eastern bountary, Location, attached map and so on.GTOMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881539471132140299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-72784710595529582412008-05-18T23:25:00.000+09:002008-05-18T23:25:00.000+09:00Thank you, GTOMR. That is interesting. Here is the...Thank you, GTOMR. That is interesting. Here is the passage with the Korean:<BR/><BR/>-------------------<BR/>【名勝】….鬱陵島는 蔚珍에 在하니 周回이 二百余里니 東西이 六十余里오 南北이 四十余里라. 芋山島는 蔚珍...<BR/><BR/>Scenic Places: ... Ulleungdo is at Uljin. It has a circumference of about 200 <I>ri</I>, and is about 60 <I>ri</I> from east to west and about 40 <I>ri</I> from north to south. Usando is at Uljin....<BR/>-------------------<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, it does not tell us exactly where Usando is, but I did notice that "Jukdo" (竹島) was not mentioned, which suggests that Usando was still the more popular name for Ulleungdo's neighboring island among geography book writers in 1895.<BR/><BR/>Also, the dimensions of the island match other descriptions.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-67746518050865953362008-05-18T22:48:00.000+09:002008-05-18T22:48:00.000+09:001895.朝鮮地誌奎章閣 古4790-40【名勝】……………….鬱陵島X 蔚珍X在ZZ周回-二百余里...<A HREF="http://www.dokdo.go.kr/for/board/image_pop.php?bcode=old_docu&b_idx=2578" REL="nofollow">1895.朝鮮地誌</A><BR/><A HREF="http://e-kyujanggak.snu.ac.kr/MOK/CONVIEW.jsp?type=MOK&ptype=list&subtype=sm&lclass=AL&mclass=&sclass=&ntype=hj&cn=GR33594_00" REL="nofollow">奎章閣 古4790-40</A><BR/>【名勝】……………….<B>鬱陵島</B>X 蔚珍X在ZZ周回-二百余里X東西-六十余里X南北X四十余里X<B>芋山島</B>XGTOMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881539471132140299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-63458066218768216712008-05-17T11:18:00.000+09:002008-05-17T11:18:00.000+09:00by the way someone please check and let me know th...by the way someone please check and let me know the contents of <A HREF="http://e-kyujanggak.snu.ac.kr/MOK/CONVIEW.jsp?type=MOK&ptype=list&subtype=sm&lclass=AL&mclass=&sclass=&ntype=hj&cn=GR33594_00" REL="nofollow">朝鮮地誌 on kyuujanggak</A>.<BR/><BR/>Especially I wanna know discription of "Location(位置)","江原道" and its attached maps;dGTOMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881539471132140299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-55581186838680946032008-03-18T10:19:00.000+09:002008-03-18T10:19:00.000+09:00I confirmed 大韓地誌 1906 eddition in Korean national ...I confirmed 大韓地誌 1906 eddition in Korean national Library is also same contents with 1899 version.GTOMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881539471132140299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-77172260716609588822007-10-15T21:12:00.000+09:002007-10-15T21:12:00.000+09:00I can't see the map for today. Am I the only one? ...I can't see the map for today. Am I the only one? Is it due to my computer?pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-23555390608592995912007-10-14T13:21:00.000+09:002007-10-14T13:21:00.000+09:00Great job!And the text itself excluded Liancourt r...Great job!<BR/><BR/>And the text itself excluded Liancourt rocks, as it says that the eastern limit of Korea is Ulleungdo (including Jukdo).pacifisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100903035796287895noreply@blogger.com