tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post2602791002993071085..comments2024-01-26T17:48:29.804+09:00Comments on Dokdo-or-Takeshima?: Toda Takayoshi's (戶田敬義) pre-1876 Map of Ulleungdo - Map BGerry Bevershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-25985271482521684922012-05-05T18:43:53.623+09:002012-05-05T18:43:53.623+09:00Not at all, Gerry.
That was the usual use of a p...Not at all, Gerry.<br /><br />That was the usual use of a phrase "二里十八町" as a substitute for "二里半".<br />But I think if it was a broken number "二里十四町", the term "五十町" was in popular use in those days.小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-4206163453034421392012-05-05T01:12:53.649+09:002012-05-05T01:12:53.649+09:00Thanks 小嶋日向守. This gives me something to think abo...Thanks 小嶋日向守. This gives me something to think about.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-31415547904276131132012-05-04T23:49:46.987+09:002012-05-04T23:49:46.987+09:00I agree with Chaamiey's reading and calculatio...I agree with Chaamiey's reading and calculation. <br /><br />竹嶌之圖<br /><br />北(North Side)<br />岩濵 五拾丁斗 川二ツ<br />大岩山 川二ツ 五丁斗<br />大鼻 五拾丁斗 岩阻シ<br />壱里半濵 川弐ツ<br />此鼻岩阻 奥行廣キ平地迄二里斗<br />草木山 (もともと?)茂り<br />岩組 五拾間斗 立岩三ツ 海中有<br /><br />東(East Side)<br />大岩濵三里斗 岩粗 大岩濵三里斗<br /><br />南(South Side)<br />大岩阻 壱里半 此嶌廻り壱リ半<br />此鼻壱里半 岩阻<br />此立岩三十間斗<br />此内三里斗 入海有り<br />此鼻壱里半<br />川壱ツ<br />此所小砂濱三里斗 所々岩有り<br />川弐ツ<br />此所大岩山三拾丁斗<br />此所砂濱二里斗奥行 深キ平地有リ相分ス 川三ツ <br />此鼻山ノ尾大石アリ 壱リ斗<br /><br />西(West Side)<br />此濱陸地大石アリ 壱リ斗<br />川弐ツ<br />大岩粗竹禾 大岩三ツ<br />高サ五拾間余小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-3909488205151744062012-05-04T22:58:31.925+09:002012-05-04T22:58:31.925+09:00Now I will have to count Toda Takayoshi's othe...Now I will have to count Toda Takayoshi's other map to see how it adds up.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-20054632426750951622012-05-04T22:49:58.428+09:002012-05-04T22:49:58.428+09:00Thanks, Chaamiey.
I interpreted 五拾丁斗 to be 5 to 1...Thanks, Chaamiey.<br /><br />I interpreted 五拾丁斗 to be 5 to 10 丁 instead of 50 because I felt they would use 里 instead of counting 丁 that high. Also, the 5 丁 inlet next to it, did not look like it was 10 times smaller.<br /><br />Anyway, if you ignore 丁 and just count the numbers marked with 理 and リ, then it adds up to 24 里. I wonder if that is what Mr Watanabe did? Or may he have dicounted something that he did not consider relevent to the measure of the shoreline?Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-74145211539762936172012-05-04T21:02:42.322+09:002012-05-04T21:02:42.322+09:00Mr.Bevers,
My reading is as follows.
Unfortunatel...Mr.Bevers,<br /><br />My reading is as follows.<br />Unfortunately, it became 27.7里.<br /><br /><br />North Side<br /><br />1. 岩濵 五拾丁斗 = 50丁 = 1.39里<br />2. 五丁斗 = 5 丁 = 0.14里<br />3. 大鼻 五拾丁斗 = 50 丁 =1.39里<br />4. 壱里半 濵 = 1.5里<br />5. 平地二里 = 2里<br />----------------- 6.42里<br /><br />East Side<br /><br />1. 大岩濵三里斗 = 3里<br />2. 大岩濵三里斗 = 3里<br />-------------------<br />................6里<br /><br />South Side<br /><br />1.大岩阻 壱里半 = 1.5 里<br />2.此鼻壱里半 岩阻 = 1.5里<br />3.此內三里斗 = 3里<br />4.此鼻壱里半 = 1.5里<br />5.此所小砂濱三里斗 = 3里<br />6.此所大岩山三拾丁斗 = 0.83里<br />7.此所砂濱二里斗 = 2里<br />8.此鼻山尾大石有壱リ(里)斗=1里<br />...................14.33里<br /><br />West Side<br /><br />1.此濱陸地大石 壱リ(里)斗=1里<br /><br />計27.7里<br /><br /><br />I saw Toda´s map for the first time. My reading may have some mistakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-33239876018456323762012-05-04T15:43:50.590+09:002012-05-04T15:43:50.590+09:00I tried to add up the measurements on the map and ...I tried to add up the measurements on the map and got about 23 <i>ri</i>, just as Mr. Watanabe said. Could someone check it for me and tell me the characters for those I marked with an *?<br /><br />North Side<br /><br />1. 岩濵吾拾丁斗 = 5 to 10 丁 = .25里<br />2. 吾丁斗 = 5 丁 = .14 里<br />3. 大鼻吾拾丁斗 = 5 to 10 丁 = .25里<br />4. 壱里半濵 = 1.5里 <br />5. 平地二里 = 2里<br />-----------------<br />..........4.14里<br /><br />East Side<br /><br />1. 大岩濵三里斗 = 3里<br />2. 大岩濵三里斗 = 3里<br />-------------------<br />................6里<br /><br />South Side<br /><br />1. 大岩阻壱里半 = 1.5 里<br />2. *鼻壱里半岩阻 = 1.5里<br />3. *內三里斗 = 3里<br />4. *鼻壱里半 = 1.5里<br />5. *所小砂*三里斗 = 3里<br />6. *所大岩山三拾丁斗 = .8里<br />7. *所砂*二里斗 = 2里<br />-------------------------<br />...................13.3里<br /><br />West Side<br /><br />1. **壁地大石拾*斗Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-86550452402814977202012-05-04T04:39:02.114+09:002012-05-04T04:39:02.114+09:00Thanks 小嶋日向守. I thought that may be what it meant....Thanks 小嶋日向守. I thought that may be what it meant.Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-28196266409607594572012-05-04T04:08:11.884+09:002012-05-04T04:08:11.884+09:00斗=許=計 (bakari)
ばかり
1) about, approximately, near...斗=許=計 (bakari)<br />ばかり<br />1) about, approximately, nearly <br />2) less than, below小嶋日向守https://www.blogger.com/profile/07893820564918155381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26948035.post-5963172697146216782012-05-04T01:59:47.284+09:002012-05-04T01:59:47.284+09:00What does the 斗 in the 三里斗 on the map mean?What does the 斗 in the 三里斗 on the map mean?Gerry Bevershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311939520870098017noreply@blogger.com